<font face="arial" size="4"><p style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 14pt; word-wrap: break-word;">this is more cornucopian bullshit... trying to avoid finite planet realities... like the solar roadway nonsense that was circulating ~6 months ago. the sad part is so few people understand that.</p>
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<div>Brace yourselves, it's already pouring in on social media, and will be on your doorstep soon from real potential clients.</div>
<div>I love Watts and being off-grid especially KWH, they are SI, US and all the rest. . Best of luck trying to pitch a sale with them, though, with all the new hype.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Allan Sindelar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com" target="_blank">allan@sindelarsolar.com</a>></span> wrote:<br />
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<div style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000;">Well, I'll go out on a limb and speculate that this is a game changer. There will be a lot of buzz, and it'll shift general public perceptions. There'll be a greater mainstream awareness that "batteries" are improving. A number of my off grid clients are quite ready for an alternative to FLA batteries. The Teslas may have strictly limited applications now, but I'll predict that these are the start of a seismic shift.<br /> Allan<br /><br />
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<li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; outline: none 0px;">Round Trip Efficiency: >92%</li>
<li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; outline: none 0px;">Operating Temperature Range: -20C (-4F) to 43C (110F)</li>
<li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; outline: none 0px;">Warranty: 10 years</li>
<li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; outline: none 0px;">Dimensions: H: 1300mm W: 860mm D:180mm</li>
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<div>Power only 2kW with peak of 3.3kW? Ouch, most off grid homes do better than that. Also 7-10 kWh of energy storage would be fine for an small, efficient off-grid home and conservative user, but my math shows only a few hours of autonomy time for the typical American homeowner.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Chris Schaefer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris@solarandwindfx.com" target="_blank">chris@solarandwindfx.com</a>></span> wrote:<br />
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<div><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [RE-wrenches] Tesla Powerwall battery paired with solar</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 14pt; word-wrap: break-word;">We are already getting calls from interested homeowners. The product mostly seems like a toy for wealthy people but nonetheless I would like to be educated in how it works.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 14pt; word-wrap: break-word;">There is mention that the battery pairs with Solar Edge inverters which makes sense because both the Powerwall and Solar Edge work off of ~350 VDC. But, I can’t figure out how off grid operation would work during power outages. Maybe another battery inverter like a Schneider Conext is required?</p>
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