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Well, I'll go out on a limb and speculate that this is a game
changer. There will be a lot of buzz, and it'll shift general public
perceptions. There'll be a greater mainstream awareness that
"batteries" are improving. A number of my off grid clients are quite
ready for an alternative to FLA batteries. The Teslas may have
strictly limited applications now, but I'll predict that these are
the start of a seismic shift.<br>
Allan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a
href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com">allan@sindelarsolar.com</a></span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">NABCEP Certified PV
Installation Professional<br>
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
Founder (Retired), <span style="mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Positive
Energy,
Inc.</span><br>
<b>505 780-2738 cell</b><br
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/2/2015 7:03 AM, Dan Fink wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAF+3Lncm6RNY5hTL3eoSWErdqypzznFGHxRbgBbcVdXHhyP0tA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">The Tesla media kit describes 2 models, a 7kwh and
a 10kwh:
<div>
<p style="margin:1.375rem
0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:'HeiS ASC Simplified
Chinese','HeiS ASC Simplified
Chinese_n5',HelveticaNeue-Regular,'Helvetica Neue
Regular','Helvetica
Neue',Helvetica;font-size:0.9375rem;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px;color:rgb(102,102,102);line-height:20px">Tesla’s selling
price to installers is $3500 for 10kWh and $3000 for 7kWh.
(Price excludes inverter and installation.) Deliveries begin
in late Summer.</p>
<p style="margin:1.375rem
0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:'HeiS ASC Simplified
Chinese','HeiS ASC Simplified
Chinese_n5',HelveticaNeue-Regular,'Helvetica Neue
Regular','Helvetica
Neue',Helvetica;font-size:0.9375rem;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px;color:rgb(102,102,102);line-height:20px">Powerwall
specs:</p>
<ul style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 35px
20px;border:0px;font-family:'HeiS ASC Simplified
Chinese','HeiS ASC Simplified
Chinese_n5',HelveticaNeue-Regular,'Helvetica Neue
Regular','Helvetica
Neue',Helvetica;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px;list-style-position:outside;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px">Mounting: Wall Mounted Indoor/Outdoor</li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px">Inverter: Pairs with growing list of inverters</li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px">Energy: 7 kWh or 10 kWh</li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px">Continuous Power: 2 kW</li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px">Peak Power: 3.3 kW</li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px">Round Trip Efficiency: >92%</li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px">Operating Temperature Range: -20C (-4F) to 43C (110F)</li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px">Warranty: 10 years</li>
<li
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none
0px">Dimensions: H: 1300mm W: 860mm D:180mm</li>
</ul>
<div><font color="#666666" face="HeiS ASC Simplified Chinese,
HeiS ASC Simplified Chinese_n5, HelveticaNeue-Regular,
Helvetica Neue Regular, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica"><span
style="font-size:15px">Nice price point, no info on the
BMS or usable DOD.</span></font></div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Power only 2kW with peak of 3.3kW? Ouch, most off grid
homes do better than that. Also 7-10 kWh of energy storage
would be fine for an small, efficient off-grid home and
conservative user, but my math shows only a few hours of
autonomy time for the typical American homeowner.</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">Dan Fink
<div>Buckville Energy</div>
<div>IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </div>
<div>~ PV Installation Professional</div>
<div>~ Small Wind Installer</div>
<div>NABCEP / IREC / ISPQ Accredited Continuing Education
Providers™<br>
970.672.4342<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Chris
Schaefer <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chris@solarandwindfx.com" target="_blank">chris@solarandwindfx.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Kurt,
since you’re a vermonter perhaps you’ve got an
inside contact with Green Mountain Power that can
shed some light? Same issue here in NY, I’ve got
phone messages and emails asking about it. So we
kinda need to know what the battery voltage is in
order to figure out how many amp hours the bank is.
Wonder how many life cycles, suggested DOD?</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Christopher</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">
Chris Schaefer’s</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> <img
src="cid:part3.05030008.00020709@sindelarsolar.com" alt="SolarWindFX"
height="58" width="283"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> Tel/Fax
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:585-229-2083"
value="+15852292083" target="_blank">585-229-2083</a>
or Cell <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:585-748-1870" value="+15857481870"
target="_blank">585-748-1870</a> </span></i></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thomas
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take away from those who are willing to work and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
RE-wrenches [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kirk Herander<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 02 May, 2015 07:22<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:glenn.burt@glbcc.com"
target="_blank">glenn.burt@glbcc.com</a>;
'RE-wrenches'</span></p>
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<div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Tesla
Powerwall battery paired with solar</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">John
Berdner of Solaredge (still with them??) in a
previous discussion on this forum has stated
that Solaredge can be AC-coupled, with a
firmware tweak I believe he said.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Kirk
Herander</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">VT
Solar, LLC </span></b></p>
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style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Proven
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target="_blank">www.vermontsolarnow.com</a></span></b></p>
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style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">dba
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style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">NABCEP<sup>TM
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
RE-wrenches [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Glenn Burt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 01, 2015 7:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Tesla
Powerwall battery paired with solar</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I
can tell you that the Solar Edge inverters do
not support AC coupling, as their reps told me
at the NABCEP CE conference…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I
have seen pictures of some Solar City battery
systems that use an XW as the inverter.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
RE-wrenches <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]"
target="_blank">[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>August Goers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 01, 2015 6:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Tesla
Powerwall battery paired with solar</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wrenches,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m sure you’ve seen the Tesla
Powerwall press releases by now:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy"
target="_blank">http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are already getting calls
from interested homeowners. The product mostly
seems like a toy for wealthy people but
nonetheless I would like to be educated in how it
works. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There is mention that the
battery pairs with Solar Edge inverters which
makes sense because both the Powerwall and Solar
Edge work off of ~350 VDC. But, I can’t figure
out how off grid operation would work during power
outages. Maybe another battery inverter like a
Schneider Conext is required?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Any thoughts on this product
for better or worse? </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">August</p>
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