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I agree, but the offgrid lifestyle often makes travel issues and
work ethics more difficult. <br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
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someone who is or has lived off grid helps a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Orzel <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ray Walters<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 17, 2015 2:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All;<br>
<br>
Thanks for the replies so far; I apologize for my
misunderstood attempt at humor in my initial post. I agree
with Chris here, I hire contract labor all the time, but an
apprenticeship is different. Laborers top out pretty quickly
and just aren't capable of learning the nuances of off grid
electric design. Much of the time that's all that's needed:
pick this up and take it over there,dig here, etc. I'm not
looking for labor, as much as someone who could some day take
over the business ( I'm 50 now) and go out and troubleshoot
systems on their own. I consider off grid solar to be more of
a craft than mere construction contracting.<br>
An apprenticeship implies a much longer term arrangement where
they may be paid less, but can expect training to the point of
getting their electrical license and making a career out of
it. I'm having a much harder time finding the sort of person
that wants to make that sort of commitment both in time and in
learning. Folks that have the smarts and ambition necessary
are already busy.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Licensed Master Electrician<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Solar Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>303 505-8760<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/17/2015 6:22 AM, Chris Mason wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not sure how the term is used in
America, but generally "apprentice" does not mean cheap
labour. An apprentice program should be an education path
to a qualification with state recognized standards, such
as Electrician or Plumber. if you just want inexpensive
labour, that's not an apprentice, that's a helper,
labourer, intern. As someone who started life as an
electrical apprentice, I object to seeing apprenticeships
shortchanging the applicants.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Dana
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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style="font-size:14.0pt">I interview &
definitely check references including: look at a
tape measure and tell me what those little marks
are between 0 & 1”, & I look in their
truck or car. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:14.0pt">If it’s clean they may
take care of your vehicle then same and if it’s a
mess that’s what you can expect them to do to your
truck. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:14.0pt">Are they smokers? Is that
OK in your truck?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Can they work without
checking their cell phone every time it goes Ding
or rings?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Do they have their own
tools and do they know how to operate tools like
your hydraulic draw punch or wire tugger without
F%$ing it up or hurting themselves?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Does anyone do a
background check on new hires?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ray Walters<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
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Folks;<br>
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I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted
to know if any else has tried this, and what advice
and experience everyone had to offer.<br>
Also what would be the best way to advertise:
Craig's List? <i><br>
<br>
Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires
and cold brews with, watch beautiful sunsets over
off grid arrays in remote locations, sometimes
carry leaky hazardous materials</i>.....<br>
mmmm. Obviously I need some help.<br>
<br>
Thanks in Advance,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></pre>
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