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Also, the Frigidaire washer is really delicate; I had one cooking
controls every year as described, and it was On Grid. The solution
there was to put it on an Outback backup power supply, as the grid
was often out of voltage specs.<br>
Another thing I saw once with the SW inverters is they can partially
fail and put out very weird wave forms and voltages. The onboard
meter claims 120 vac, but independent true RMS metering was showing
144 vac. Lights were working, etc. but odd things were happening.
We had the inverters repaired and it was attributed to lightning
damage on the control board.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Tump, Allan,
Bill & Jay;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good advice as
always. I spoke with homeowner this morning and he says that
it has been the control boards on the Frigidaire's that have
failed on the SW4048. He did get advice a couple of yrs ago
to add a capacitor and that did not help. Inverter is not
having any other problems that he knows of, as of yet. He
will decide between changing the inverter or changing his
washer & dryer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dave <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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RE-wrenches
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Tump<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 27, 2015 5:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex SW 4048
inverter and Frigidaire<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As for the older SWs we installed the cap
on the output side, that being said I have seen GFIC outlets
causing problems but I have not seen these issues w/ my SMA
SI. Sounds to me that; being the professional you are,
suggesting the replacement of the older SW with something that
may be less frustrating ( new inverters and their firm ware
upgrades, less frustrating yeah right!?) better performance
and eliminating costly washer repairs. If I were to try and
rectify the issue, then I will usual start w/ the removal of
the gfic, cap on the ac output, (we would just installed it on
the questionable load's circuit,0 OR offer a credit for the
old SW and try to sell them the SMA SI 6K inverter and then
work your way down to their budget.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:30 AM, Allan
Sindelar wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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This was a Wrenches discussion topic, somewhere between
2001 and 2005.There was a fundamental incompatibility
between the SW series and the electronics of certain new
model washers. The early Maytag Neptunes and
front-loading, electronically-controlled Frigidaires had
issues with the mod-sine waveform of the SW series. I
looked in my archives but have nothing saved about that.
You might find the original thread in the online
archives. If the "expensive controls" include control
boards or related, this could be an ongoing issue with
this combination.<br>
<br>
We only had one experience with the issue, and it
doesn't offer a useful solution. A Y2K installation with
dual SW55548s wouldn't run a Frigidaire front-load
washer. Adding a large power capacitor across the input
(per Wrenches and possibly Xantrex tech support advice)
didn't solve it; switching the washer circuit to the
other inverter did. We never did figure that one out.<br>
<br>
Just yesterday there was a thread here on "charging
multiple battery banks" dual systems, 24 and 48V,
sharing a switched array. The 24V was a SW4024. Many of
us still care for systems based on that series, and have
good respect for it, but as they get older and support
gets tougher, the energy seems to be shifting toward
replacement.<br>
Allan<o:p></o:p></p>
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Do you know what it is that's
failing?...electronics or motor? Is it the same
in both? Have these failures been happening since
the 4048 was fired up or more recently? Is there
a lot of generator run time?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex SW 4048 inverter and
Frigidaire<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Older
off grid system having trouble with Frigidaire
washer and dryer needing expensive repairs every
year or so when run on a Xantrex SW 4048/S inverter
manufactured in June 2005.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Not one
of my installs so I don't know the particulars.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Homeowners
are looking for advice on what would work better
with this ten year old SW. Or, should they invest in
a new inverter? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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