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<DIV>Dana,</DIV>
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<DIV> Specifically, I was looking for the
power consumption of a propane-fired hot tub...interesting story about heating
the water with the motor's waste heat though.</DIV>
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<DIV> Yes, I have several watthour meters
also but the idea of going into a store and (I'm sure asking first) measuring
watts of various appliances is great. Why didn't I think of that?!</DIV>
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<DIV> Maybe the best test would be going
into some of my neighbors' houses and conducting the same test after all the
other 'related' equipment is added the a system, EG satellite dish, dvd,
computer for streaming, etc. and get some real world totals with
the phantom load that goes with it (and to share with my customer to convince
him/her to use a switched plugstrip).</DIV>
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<DIV> Thanks for all the other info for
other loads, very helpful.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bill</DIV>
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Load sheet</DIV>
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is wide spread on the hot tubs. I have an offgrid client who bought a
super-insulated (6-12” of foam) tub that heats the water with the waste heat
from the (very inefficient) motor @ 120 vac. It went away when he was
enlightened as to how it heated the water. I did not measure the load but it
sank his battery bank.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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have measured a few sat systems; 32-35 watts/hour about the same as a
blue ray and DVD/CD player, & Routers at 4-12 watts/hr, answer mach @
12-15 watts/hr with cordless phone charger charging, Garage door openers from
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have several watt hour meters I loan out for folks to do their “homework” on
their loads before I do a design that helps & I see lots of variation on
items.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>frenergy<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:56 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> [RE-wrenches] Load
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<P class=MsoNormal>Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> I'm always trying to
update my reference for KWhrs/day for various loads, especially as time
marches on folks are of course wishing to power the latest gizmo with an
off-grid system. I can't seem to find very current info. The days
of going into search are certainly long gone with the advent of
answering/cordless phones, satellite dishes, routers, security systems,
etc...creating a heck-of-a "phantom load" 24/7.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> Specifically, this
time I'm hoping some of you have first-hand numbers on KWhrs/day for a propane
fired hot tub (still has brains of some kind, ignition, pump(s), satellite
dish for internet/TV and I'm not counting on-demand water heater as much of a
load due to its intermittent use unless others have seen otherwise. I've
never taken the "kit" approach, hoping a cookie cutter sized system will fit a
need, instead trying to really nail the consumption-production
dance leaving room for expansion.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> If there is a
favorite website anyone has for more current numbers (KWhrs/day or even just
watts) on current household appliances, I would appreciate
it.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Thx,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bill Battagin<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Feather River Solar Electric<BR>4291 Nelson
St.<BR>Taylorsville, CA 95983<BR>530.284.7849 / 6544
fax<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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