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    Hi Jarmo,<br>
    <br>
    One of the reasons I chose to sell and install GBS batteries is the
    chemistry is safer, they have vent caps (like AGM) and they offer an
    integrated solution where the battery, EMS/BMS and CPU are all
    designed specifically for each other instead of adding various parts
    from different manufacturers. The chemistry is LFMP (lithium iron
    manganese) not LFP. There are seven monitored fault events,
    including temperature, current and voltage, that will disconnect the
    battery from any load or any charge source. <br>
    <br>
    Since we are installing in RV's, there are multiple charge sources
    and all must be controlled. The systems I design do this very well.
    Also, our charge and discharge rates are far lower than the industry
    normally expects; rarely reaching .5C. <br>
    <br>
    I have seen private videos of destructive testing of GBS cells.
    Steel rods fired through entire packs; slow crush tests from top and
    sides, impact tests, even cells blown away on a gun range (that was
    more for fun I think as not too likely you will experience that). No
    fire, no thermal events. Bottom line for me is these are likely the
    safest Lithium battery I can offer. Many customers have already had
    shut down events because they were not being responsible. A simple
    reset and they're back in business. <br>
    <br>
    What was the lithium chemistry that you had trouble with?<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Thank you,

Larry Crutcher
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/17/15 12:49 PM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Jarmo.Venalainen@schneider-electric.com">Jarmo.Venalainen@schneider-electric.com</a> wrote:<br>
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      type="cite"><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Hi:</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font face="sans-serif" size="2">Please be careful when working
        with
        solar system size Lithium packs on the cell level.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font face="sans-serif" size="2">We have been doing on-going
        testing
        with Lion battery packs from various suppliers and even with
        their built
        in temp sensors and other BMS circuits, have already had two
        "thermal
        events".</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font face="sans-serif" size="2">Lion is very unforgiving with
        regards
        low state of charge, high state of charge, temperature (110F is
        the max
        temp at which they should be charged and 140F is the max they
        can handle).</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font face="sans-serif" size="2">Given the low thermal mass of
        Lion cells,
        a high rate of discharge or charge quickly gets the cell
        temperature into
        the 110F+ range.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font face="sans-serif" size="2">As soon as you cross the line
        things
        start happening and if the BMS doesn't put a stop to it by
        turning the
        battery pack off, it's a very quick slide down the hill from
        there.</font>
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            <td><font color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif" size="1">From:</font>
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            <td><font face="sans-serif" size="1">Larry
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            <td><font color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif" size="1">To:</font>
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            <td><font face="sans-serif" size="1">RE-wrenches
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            <td><font face="sans-serif" size="1">03/17/2015 11:41 AM</font>
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            <td><font face="sans-serif" size="1">[RE-wrenches] Load
                testing Lithium battery
                bank</font>
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