<div dir="ltr">Tom I sure agree with the silence on the Snorkel and the Scuba, here off grid at 8200 ft!<div>The issue one client had with the redwood tub was draining for the winter (summer only folk) and the wood shrunk; the easy and cheap solution was the plastic liner from Snorkel. I Have the Scuba and a stock tank (Snorkel 3 ft deep, Scuba 2 ft deep) This tub and stove have been in place since about 1986 - 8 years before I was in the business.</div><div>The canoe paddle works fine against stratification, the cabin has a tiny power system and great that zero electricity is needed; Bubbles and jets are possible as long as you say "excuse me" afterwards.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Dan Fink<div>Buckville Energy</div><div>IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </div><div>~ PV Installation Professional</div><div>~ Small Wind Installer</div><div>NABCEP / IREC / ISPQ Accredited Continuing Education Providers™<br>970.672.4342<br><br> </div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Tom Elliot <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom@wagonmaker.com" target="_blank">tom@wagonmaker.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>We chose not to put any pumps or filters on our Snorkel stove heated cedar
tub and would never choose otherwise for off-grid. Wood heats water faster
than any other fuel and even in the coldest winter the tub can freeze and both
tub and stove survive quite nicely and heat up faster than you’d think.
Also in winter water treatment isn’t an issue, we’d just change out the water
every few weeks (not as big a deal as it sounds) and occasionally scrub down the
tub inside in summer when we changed the water.</div>
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<div>The beauty of the Snorkel stove is the silence. At 9000’ and miles
from anyone in winter the silence was amazing. Sitting in a steaming tub
listening to the Earth breathe is an unbeatable experience. I’ve never
liked bubbles, jets or motors running.</div>
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<div>Even better the Snorkel stove and cedar tub we ordered had, hands down, the
absolute best instructions on any piece of equipment that needed assembly that
I’ve ever seen. Not a blind alley in any of the instructions. Follow
them to the letter and the whole things goes together perfectly.</div>
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<div>Tom</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="solar1online@charter.net" href="mailto:solar1online@charter.net" target="_blank">Bill Loesch</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:14 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Chofu Hot Tub Heater</div></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline"><div><div class="h5"><br>Gentlemen
and Ladies,<br><br>If you really want a powerful therapeutic whirlpool in your
hot tub, the best solution I have experienced is a portable vintage Jacuzzi
J300-B, 1/3 HP, 115 VAC, 5.6 A, manufactured by Jacuzzi Research, Inc. in
Berkley, CA. 28 pounds. This model was available before GFCIs became commonly
available, so original users were more than a bit of an adventuresome breed. It
is intended for tub use but a snorkel on the air tube would allow "deep water"
placement.<br><br>Today, eBay has six units listed, ranging from $100 to $450
plus shipping including pink and turquoise as well as white, some sellers quote
1950's vintage. Not exactly the longevity you would get from a current day
Jacuzzi <u>branded</u> product.<br><a href="http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xjacuzzi+j300-b.TRS0&_nkw=jacuzzi+j300-b&ghostText=&_sacat=0" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xjacuzzi+j300-b.TRS0&_nkw=jacuzzi+j300-b&ghostText=&_sacat=0</a><br><br>Stay
warm,<br><pre cols="72">Bill Loesch
Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar
<a href="tel:314%20631%201094" value="+13146311094" target="_blank">314 631 1094</a></pre>
<div>On 03-Mar-15 5:33 PM, William Miller wrote:<br></div>
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<div>Ray:</div>
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<div>Nothing is more civilized than heated flush water!</div>
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<div>William<br><br><br></div>
<div><br>On Mar 3, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Ray Walters <<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank">ray@solarray.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div>I think the jet tub is the better way to go for
off grid. You are only heating the water and running the circ pumps a
few hours/ week, and as Bill mentioned: no chemicals.<br>I've tried all of
the choices, and while hot water alone is nice, having the massage bubblers
is definitely better. Not having chemicals and/ or nasty recirculated
bacteria is also much better than regular hot tubs. Off grid folks
don't have to do with out modern conveniences, instead they can do it even
better.<br>If you wanted to get savvy, you could recycle the water after to
a grey water cistern dedicated for toilet flushing and irrigation.<br><pre cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
<a href="tel:303%20505-8760" value="+13035058760" target="_blank">303 505-8760</a></pre>On 3/3/2015 7:30 AM, Bill Loesch wrote:<br></div>
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<div><br>Hi Brian,<br><br>Great alternative and
<u>proven</u> solution. Moreover, the sanitation aspect to heat the water
once per use all but eliminates the prospect of breeding "bugs" in the
stagnant warm water. It is my understanding that spas/hot tubs that
continuously reheat the same water need to have chemicals added to keep
them sanitary (at least that is the way it works here for a public spa/hot
tub).<br><br>One other item, necessary to mention for all the rest of us
not living in the relatively mild CA/coastal climate-since the tankless
stores no heated water all tankless water heaters are subject to freezing
conditions. Oh, yes, one can take on Mother Nature and add electric
heaters, anti-freezing firing, etc. but for real world practicality, don't
subject water to freezing conditions. Solution: mount the tankless inside
the heated structure and run the hot tub line through a freeze protected
faucet. <br><br>Thanks for sharing, Brian,<br><pre cols="72">Bill Loesch
Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar
<a href="tel:314%20631%201094" value="+13146311094" target="_blank">314 631 1094</a></pre>On 02-Mar-15 1:15 PM, Brian Teitelbaum wrote:<br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Hey
Allan,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">For
many years, my wife and I have been using an old 6’ long claw-foot tub
as our hot tub on the mountain. The 6’ tub is large enough, but very
cozy for two people. We just run straight hot water from our Aquastar
propane water heater into it, which gets it very hot. It takes a little
time to let it heat up the cast iron tub, which cools it down just
enough for a great soak. It stays hot for a pretty long period of time,
but If it gets too cool, we just run more hot water into it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Then
we just use the gray water for garden irrigation the next day. No
chemicals, filters, or electricity needed.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Brian
Teitelbaum</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">AEE
Solar</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif";COLOR:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif";COLOR:windowtext">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 01,
2015 6:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches]
Chofu Hot Tub Heater</span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wrenches,<br>I have an off grid client who wants a
hot tub, and would prefer a propane heater rather than wood. The Chofu
appears to be the only unit that doesn't require a circulation pump. He
had located this on his own, but told me that "The propane fired, self
igniting, hydrosiphoning Chofu is no longer available domestically.
Seems the Japanese do not wish to export these to the USA anymore.
I will keep looking as this was the most sane idea for the project and
of course cheapest. Chofu listed on Island Hot Tub is currently
unavailable. I talked to him a week ago and it sounded like there was no
availability for the foreseeable future."<br><br>Does anyone have a line
on where one can be located before they're all gone? Or a good
alternative?<br><br>Thanks, Allan</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- <br><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt"><a href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com" target="_blank"><u>allan@sindelarsolar.com</u></a></span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt">NABCEP Certified PV Installation
Professional<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New
Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>Founder (Retired), Positive
Energy, Inc.<br><b><a href="tel:505%20780-2738" value="+15057802738" target="_blank">505 780-2738</a> cell</b><br><br></span></p>
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