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    I really do wonder then...<br>
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    Right now, you go up to the burning house and pull the meter, bingo,
    no AC anywhere. So why do we need the "kill" switch next to the
    service (or where ever).... IF you drive the roof top contactor with
    120vac or with 24 vdc made from a power supply powered by 120vac.
    Either way, pull the meter, no more AC and no more power to the
    contactor coil on the roof, so DC limited to the location of the
    contactor. <br>
    <br>
    Not really sure how the requirement for the stop switch got into the
    Code.<br>
    <br>
    Mark Frye<br>
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      I see. So they have another box on the ground floor with the
      "kill" switch and that box includes a 120/240 vac to 24vdc xfrm to
      drive the contactor coil  on the roof? So you run 120/240 vac to
      the box with the "kill" switch?<br>
      <br>
      Mark Frye<br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/2/2015 10:52 AM, Glenn Burt
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              like they use 24VDC for contactor activation, not 120VAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  RE-wrenches [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Frye<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 02, 2015 1:29 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shut Down and
                  the 10 Second Rule Questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">OK. So did
            you run a line 120V up to the box on the roof to energize
            the coil of the relay up there?<br>
            <br>
            Mark Frye<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 2/2/2015 9:13 AM, Jerry Shafer
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                <p class="MsoNormal">The units we have used have a large
                  contactor inside the combiner box made by AMtec Solar.
                  this was required to control the shut down includes a
                  fire button done on the ground floor<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:49 AM,
                  Mark Frye <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:markf@berkeleysolar.com"
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                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    What unit did you use?<span style="color:#888888"><br>
                      <br>
                      <span class="hoenzb">Mark Frye</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On 2/2/2015 7:43 AM, Jerry
                          Shafer wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p>Wrenches<br>
                          We have installed some of these rapid shut
                          down units and they are always located close
                          to the array and ours kill the DC instantly as
                          long as the inverter was running when this
                          accures did not test it with inverters already
                          off.<br>
                          Jerry<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 2, 2015 5:34 AM,
                            "Christopher Warfel" <<a
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                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">We have a
                            interpretation problem among some people I
                            work with with, and  690.12 Rapid Shut Down
                            and the the 10 second time for reducing ac
                            and dc conductors to 240ma, and 30V.  The
                            word "initiation" seems to indicate that all
                            affected conductors need to be at these
                            levels within 10 seconds of de-energizing
                            either the ac or dc conductors. If so, then
                            the disconnects need to be co-located to
                            meet this requirement if this interpretation
                            is correct.<br>
                            <br>
                            I have read Mr. Brook's article in Solar
                            Pro, but AHJs may feel differently.<br>
                            <br>
                            Would anyone care to weigh in on their
                            interpretation?<br>
                            <br>
                            Thank you, Chris<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            -- <br>
                            Christopher Warfel, President<br>
                            ENTECH Engineering, Inc.<br>
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