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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Ray,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Petzl is a good company and has been around for a long time. For climbing gear, I don’t have much of their equipment, as I prefer Chouinard (now Black Diamond).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am afraid I don’t have any experience with their personal fall arrest equipment, preferring clearly approved gear from Exofit and Elk River.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It looks like the Petzl Vertex helmet has all the necessary OSHA approved ratings for impact and electrical with their ANSI Z89.1-2009 type 1 class E listing, and it sure is a good idea to have some method of keeping the brain bucket from falling off at inopportune moments… as long as you bear in mind that the Type 1 hard hat is protection from impacts from above, and not from the side (won’t protect the wearer from getting smacked in the side of the head with a piece of rail).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Glenn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ray Walters<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 17, 2015 7:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Fall Protection Equipment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Glenn;<br><br>What's your opinion on Petzl's professional line of full body harnesses? I noticed too that their cool strapped helmets are ANSI approved. I never thought regular strapless construction hard hats made sense on a roof either. (always falling off and causing a hazard to workers below.....)<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Licensed Master Electrician<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Solar Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>303 505-8760<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal>On 1/17/2015 2:05 PM, Glenn Burt wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Standard OSHA personal safety harnesses are designed to keep someone upright and without pressure on the diaphragm in the event of loss of consciousness.<br>Having done substantial rock and ice climbing with state of the art climbing gear, I can tell you that it is not designed for that at all.<br><br>Sincerely,<br>Glenn Burt<br>Sent from my 'smart' phone so please excuse grammar and typos.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">William Miller</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1/17/2015 14:20</span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Re: [RE-wrenches] Fall Protection Equipment</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Friends:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Industrial fall protection with rear attachment offers no functionality in keeping a worker in place on a steep steel roof. We install planks in these situations but would also like to be able to cinch up a line connected to the workers waist or chest in the front to provide extra stability. Rear attached harnesses do not provide that. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>William <br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 17, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Ray Walters <<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I prefer climbing gear as its much lighter weight and doesn't drag you around. I actually think in some cases that traditional fall protection gear can be more of a tripping hazard than the safety it provides. However, I was previously under the impression that if OSHA (or in the islands: HIOSH) came around, we had to ditch the climbing gear and get into the 3 times as heavy regular harnesses.<br>I just looked at the OSHA website though, and it doesn't seem to specify certification, just that the equipment meet the fall criteria as Dan mentioned.<br><a href="https://www.osha.gov/Region7/fallprotection/fall_protection_info.html">https://www.osha.gov/Region7/fallprotection/fall_protection_info.html</a><br>This doesn't mention test procedures or certification of equipment. Here's more from the actual OSHA 1926 book:<br><br><strong>1926.502(e)(3)</strong><span class=blackten> </span><span class=blackten><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Connectors shall be drop forged, pressed or formed steel, or made of equivalent materials.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="1926.502(e)(4)"></a><strong>1926.502(e)(4)</strong><span class=blackten> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Connectors shall have a corrosion-resistant finish, and all surfaces and edges shall be smooth to prevent damage to interfacing parts of this system.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="1926.502(e)(5)"></a><strong>1926.502(e)(5)</strong><span class=blackten> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Connecting assemblies shall have a minimum tensile strength of 5,000 pounds (22.2 kN)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="1926.502(e)(6)"></a><strong>1926.502(e)(6)</strong><span class=blackten> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dee-rings and snaphooks shall be proof-tested to a minimum tensile load of 3,600 pounds (16 kN) without cracking, breaking, or taking permanent deformation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"Equivalent materials" ? Seems that an aluminum caribiner that meets the other criteria would be equivalent.<br><br>Here, Petzl also makes a full line of worker safety equipment: <a href="http://www.petzl.com/en/Professional/Verticality?l=US#.VLqw4nuLXfc">http://www.petzl.com/en/Professional/Verticality?l=US#.VLqw4nuLXfc</a><br><br>This is really interesting, and I would like to have a more definitive answer from OSHA. It would be great if we could use lighter weight climbing gear; just compare a caribiner to the heavy steel monsters you get at Grainger's. As long as it is strong enough:<br>Lighter weight = less fatigue= safer, IMHO. <br>As with so many discussions on this list, it will ultimately depend on your local authorities.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Licensed Master Electrician<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Solar Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>303 505-8760<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal>On 1/16/2015 11:20 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>James,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>This looks like a pretty nice lanyard w/ shock-absorber, rope-grab and rope. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>What type/style harness did he bring along?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Re: OSHA approved...great question. Prior to looking into it further I'd suspect it falls in a "grey area". <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Benn Kilburn<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>SkyFire Energy Inc. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>780-906-7807<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:29 AM, James Rudolph <a href="mailto:jamesrudolph99@gmail.com"><jamesrudolph99@gmail.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Aloha my Wrench Brothers!<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>We have a recent defector from a very large National Solar company here that<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>[The entire original message is not included.]<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Change listserver email address & settings:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List rules & etiquette:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Check out or update participant bios:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>