<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div>Jarmo is correct in that 480 and 277 are right for 480 WYE.</div><div>The alternative is Delta which will have different Phase-Neutral voltages, with a hi leg from one phase. </div><div>But this is never (to my knowledge) done with 480, only 240. </div><div>See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power</a><br></div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta</a></div><div><br></div><div>All your questions are answered by the fact that neutral and ground are connected together in your service panel, as in most every grid connected main service panel in this country.</div><div><br></div><div>Don Barch</div><div>Energy Solar<br></div><blockquote id="replyBlockquote" webmail="1" style="border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size:10pt; color:black; font-family:verdana;"><div id="wmQuoteWrapper">
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:25:35 -0500<br>
From: <a href="mailto:Jarmo.Venalainen@schneider-electric.com">Jarmo.Venalainen@schneider-electric.com</a><br>
To: RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 480 Wye or Delta for a SolarEdge 10K<br>
3-phase; how can I determine what this panel is?<br>
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Hi:<br>
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Grounding, (they use the term earthing in the IEC/Euro world), variations <br>
like this are not very common in North America as we overwhelmingly use a <br>
TT method which means there is a dedicated ground rod at the building.<br>
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In many other parts of the world power lines are underground and so the <br>
systems use different grounding/earthing methods.<br>
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These methods are classed as TT, TN, TN-C, TN-C-S, and so on.......<br>
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From your explanation, I think this new building uses a variation of <br>
TN-C-S, (T is GND, N is neutral, the C-S means single combined Neutral/GND <br>
wire to the building which separates at the service entrance).<br>
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You can find a lot of info on the net, but here is an explanation from the <br>
IEC rules regarding TN-C-S grounding/earthing.<br>
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</div><div><br></div><div>480/277 are the right voltages for a 480WYE.<br>
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Since its been done, there must be some applicable North American codes <br>
somewhere.<br>
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JARMO<br>
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From:<br>
"Howard \"Scot\" Arey" <<a href="mailto:scot.arey@solarcentex.com">scot.arey@solarcentex.com</a>><br>
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Date:<br>
12/15/2014 05:50 PM<br>
Subject:<br>
[RE-wrenches] 480 Wye or Delta for a SolarEdge 10K 3-phase; how can I <br>
determine what this panel is?<br>
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My challenge is determining the correct 480V configuration so I can use a <br>
3-phase Solar Edge 10000 for a 12KW commercial system. The SE10K requires <br>
a 480V Wye configuration.<br>
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The main 480 panel looks straightforward. L1, L2, L3 come from below <br>
grade to three separate busbars in the panel. A 4th wire, not taped <br>
white, goes to what appears to be a ground bar at the lower right of the <br>
panel. Green and green-taped wires come from this bar. I do not see any <br>
physical connections between the L1, L2, L3 bus bars and the ground bar in <br>
the lower right, other than the box itself as the ground bar appears to be <br>
bonded to the main box itself.<br>
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Voltage measurements depicts 480V at line to line, and 277 Volts from each <br>
line to the ground (neutral?).<br>
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The overhead service at the road depicts 4 wires into the service head. <br>
The three from the three each transformers at the pole are taped <br>
traditional 3-phase colors. The bare wire from the pole to the service <br>
head is bare wire, but is taped white as it goes into the service head <br>
with an insulated conductor (wire). There is no apparent ground wire at <br>
the pole or inside the building that I can see but the service is <br>
underground and under concrete until it comes up inside the facility at <br>
the 480 panel board.<br>
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My master electrician is researching to determine the type but I wanted to <br>
post it here for comments, too.<br>
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My questions:<br>
- Is it possible to have an ungrounded Wye where the ?4th wire? <br>
actually is a neutral to the lower right bus bar, and the wires leaving <br>
that bar are in fact ground wires?<br>
- The SE10K calls for a neutral wire in a Wye config. If this 4<br>
th wire is a neutral, and is bonded to ground, can I run a wire from this <br>
to the inverter neutral, then another wire from this same bar t0 other <br>
ground wire location in the SE10K (right beside the neutral).<br>
- Is the white taped wire (the bare wire from the pole, then <br>
insulated and taped white into the service head) a neutral or is that <br>
ground.<br>
- Can anything other than a 480 Wye give the 480/277 voltages <br>
indicated above?<br>
- If the 4th wire is a neutral (I certainly hope it is), where <br>
might I find the ground electrode conductor (the building is relatively <br>
new, less than 10 years I believe.). FYI, the building is metal.<br>
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I look forward to your comments<br>
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Howard ?Scot? Arey<br>
254-300-1228<br>
<a href="mailto:scot.arey@solarcentex.com">scot.arey@solarcentex.com</a><br>
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