<div dir="ltr">Batteries are the big limiting factor off-grid around here.<div>We do not have consistent enough wind to rely on.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Dan Fink<div>Buckville Energy</div><div>IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </div><div>~ PV Installation Professional</div><div>~ Small Wind Installer</div><div>NABCEP / IREC / ISPQ Accredited Continuing Education Providers™<br>970.672.4342<br><br> </div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Hugh Piggott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hugh@scoraigwind.co.uk" target="_blank">hugh@scoraigwind.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Yes I agree but PV is getting so cheap! We do keep our gas stove, but most of our cooking is being done in the halogen oven. This is a big glass bowl that doesn't look as if it is more than a passing gimmick, but literally most of our cooking has happened in it over the last year. Try it!<div><br></div><div>Having a huge windmill that doesn't ever seem to break (weird?) helps of course. </div><div><br></div><div>By the way in case anyone thought the second inverter was a problem for our dishwasher... that's not what I meant to say, but the washer and most of our stuff ran fine on just one VFX. The second one is just good for peak usage and the fact that there is another house connected.</div><div><br></div><div>good times! My favorite thing (almost) about renewable energy is the fact that sometimes there is way too much of it.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Hugh</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br><div><div>On 7 Dec 2014, at 16:43, frenergy wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Hugh,</div><div> </div><div> We've done a similar scenario around here the last several years, even charging an electric car. However, there is certainly more to the story than an added inverter, eh? I've also added PVs (lots for the car) from the days of heavy propane use. And I know that some of the incentive to reduce the use of propane and add electric appliances is that occasionally we'll have a great hydro year ("Omigosh the batteries are boiling, there's 4KW coming in from PV and 600 watts at the hydro...buy that convection oven...do some electric space heating!!)</div><div> </div><div> For us the dance has been to have both available so, rather than run the genny, use a little propane to cook or whatever.</div><div> </div><div> A halogen oven? uh, oh I guess I'm still living under a rock. Help me with that one.</div><div> </div><div>Bill</div><div>Taylorsville</div><blockquote style="padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;margin-right:0px"><div style="font:normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image:initial;background-color:rgb(228,228,228);font:normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial;background-repeat:initial initial"><b>From:</b><span> </span><a title="hugh@scoraigwind.co.uk" href="mailto:hugh@scoraigwind.co.uk" target="_blank">Hugh Piggott</a></div><div style="font:normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial"><b>To:</b><span> </span><a title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches</a></div><div style="font:normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial"><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:30 AM</div><div style="font:normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial"><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] New washers and dishwashers on inverter power -any problems?</div><div><br></div>We have a pair of VFX inverters and we run an LG dishwasher which is great - quiet direct drive - uses about 0.7kWh for a wash (and about 0.2 per 24 hours sitting there looking inert :-() It worked fine before the second inverter was added actually. As did the induction hob and the halogen oven. Both great ways to save on propane gas consumption. In fact we hardly use gas any more. We just bought a 3kW electric oven, and so long as the wind is blowing that's available too.<div><br></div><div>It seems to me that using propane to avoid using renewable energy is backward thinking these days. LPG is the last resort for us.</div><div><br></div><div>Hugh<br><div><br><div><div>On 4 Dec 2014, at 01:14, Dave wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="word-spacing:0px;font:normal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;white-space:normal;letter-spacing:normal;border-collapse:separate"><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I'm looking at Bosch # 16083 ($ 765) dishwasher - any problems running this on OutBack inverter power?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">and also a Samsung, or LG, front load clothes washer. I'm a little gun shy with these fancy machines because of all of their electronic controls as I have memories of the Maytag Neptunes several years ago being a horror show on inverter power.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks for your input,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dave Palumbo<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="padding-right:0in;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;border-top-style:solid;padding-left:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-top:3pt;border-right-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-bottom-style:none"><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span>RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Dan Fink<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, December 01, 2014 8:21 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Appliances for off-grid home<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Hi Dave;<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The last couple times I speced dishwashers for off-grid clients, I ended up doing it right from EnergyGuide ratings. No longer have to order expensive stuff from Europe or Australia, some USA-made models are right in there.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Battery spark ignition propane ranges are still very limited -- Premier/Peerless is OK, so is Summit Appliance, but with Summit customer service and spare part availability are dismal. Unique OffGrid (Canada) looks really nice, but I'm waiting for someone else to try them before I recommend them. I may guinea pig myself on Unique. Everything else I've tried has been just plain awful....oven thermostats that need replacing every couple years, leaky valves, etc. They are cheap and intended for cheap apartment landlords who buy them 30 at a time.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I require sealed burners, and a solid burner great is awesome.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">If your client doesn't need an oven, there are plenty of fancy expensive drop-in cooktops at the high-end foodie kitchen stores, but all the wall ovens I've found there have a glowbar. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Finally, there's marine galley stoves and ovens. But very pricey, and tiny ovens. You're paying for gimballed mounts that you only need on a boat.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Best of luck.....<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Dan Fink<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Buckville Energy<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">IREC Certified Instructor™ for: <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">~ PV Installation Professional<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">~ Small Wind Installer<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">NABCEP / IREC / ISPQ Accredited Continuing Education Providers™<br><a href="tel:970.672.4342" value="+19706724342" target="_blank">970.672.4342</a><br><br> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Dave <<a href="mailto:dave@independentpowerllc.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">dave@independentpowerllc.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I'm looking for a recommendation for an efficient dishwasher to be powered by an OutBack inverter.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Also, I need to buy another LP gas range for off-grid use. I have been using the Peerless-Premier line because they could be ordered without the electric glow bar in the oven. Are they any more choices these days in LP ranges?<u></u><u></u></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Dave<u></u><u></u></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">David Palumbo<u></u><u></u></div><div style="font-size:12pt;margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Independent Power 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