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<DIV>Hugh,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> We've done a similar scenario around
here the last several years, even charging an electric car. However, there
is certainly more to the story than an added inverter, eh? I've also added PVs
(lots for the car) from the days of heavy propane use. And I know that some
of the incentive to reduce the use of propane and add electric appliances is
that occasionally we'll have a great hydro year ("Omigosh the batteries are
boiling, there's 4KW coming in from PV and 600 watts at the hydro...buy that
convection oven...do some electric space heating!!)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> For us the dance has been to have
both available so, rather than run the genny, use a little propane to cook or
whatever.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> A halogen oven? uh, oh I guess
I'm still living under a rock. Help me with that one.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill</DIV>
<DIV>Taylorsville</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=hugh@scoraigwind.co.uk href="mailto:hugh@scoraigwind.co.uk">Hugh
Piggott</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:30
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] New washers
and dishwashers on inverter power -any problems?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>We have a pair of VFX inverters and we run an LG dishwasher
which is great - quiet direct drive - uses about 0.7kWh for a wash (and
about 0.2 per 24 hours sitting there looking inert :-() It worked fine
before the second inverter was added actually. As did the induction hob
and the halogen oven. Both great ways to save on propane gas
consumption. In fact we hardly use gas any more. We just bought a
3kW electric oven, and so long as the wind is blowing that's available too.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>It seems to me that using propane to avoid using renewable energy is
backward thinking these days. LPG is the last resort for us.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hugh<BR>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On 4 Dec 2014, at 01:14, Dave wrote:</DIV><BR
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: medium Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">
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<DIV
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif">I'm
looking at Bosch # 16083 ($ 765) dishwasher - any problems running this on
OutBack inverter power?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif">and
also a Samsung, or LG, front load clothes washer. I'm a little gun shy with
these fancy machines because of all of their electronic controls as I have
memories of the Maytag Neptunes several years ago being a horror show on
inverter power.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif">Thanks
for your input,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif">Dave
Palumbo<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE-wrenches
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Dan Fink<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Monday, December 01, 2014 8:21
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [RE-wrenches] Appliances for
off-grid home<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Hi
Dave;<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<DIV
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">The
last couple times I speced dishwashers for off-grid clients, I ended up
doing it right from EnergyGuide ratings. No longer have to order expensive
stuff from Europe or Australia, some USA-made models are right in
there.<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Battery
spark ignition propane ranges are still very limited -- Premier/Peerless is
OK, so is Summit Appliance, but with Summit customer service and spare
part availability are dismal. Unique OffGrid (Canada) looks really nice, but
I'm waiting for someone else to try them before I recommend them. I may
guinea pig myself on Unique. Everything else I've tried has been just plain
awful....oven thermostats that need replacing every couple years, leaky
valves, etc. They are cheap and intended for cheap apartment landlords who
buy them 30 at a time.<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">I
require sealed burners, and a solid burner great is
awesome.<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">If
your client doesn't need an oven, there are plenty of fancy expensive
drop-in cooktops at the high-end foodie kitchen stores, but all the wall
ovens I've found there have a glowbar. <O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Finally,
there's marine galley stoves and ovens. But very pricey, and tiny ovens.
You're paying for gimballed mounts that you only need on a
boat.<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Best
of luck.....<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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Fink<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<DIV
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Energy<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Dave <<A
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:dave@independentpowerllc.com"
target=_blank>dave@independentpowerllc.com</A>> wrote:<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">I'm
looking for a recommendation for an efficient dishwasher to be powered by an
OutBack inverter.<O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Also,
I need to buy another LP gas range for off-grid use. I have been using the
Peerless-Premier line because they could be ordered without the electric
glow bar in the oven. Are they any more choices these days in LP
ranges?<O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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