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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks for all the info on this topic today. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Big question for me is. What are 3,000 (manufacturer claimed) deep cycles at 100% DOD worth vs 2,000 real world 80% DOD cycles on a HUP battery when the AHI battery's voltage drops below inverter operating voltage range at 50% (more or less) DOD?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>How would the AHI battery ever be discharged to 0% when the inverter cannot operate at such a low voltage? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>My customer wants 33,600 Wh of usable storage power. So, what do we need in Amp Hours of Aqueous Hybrid Ion's to give us a usable 1,400 AH @ 24V?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I would think we need 67,200 Watt hours of rated power vs. about 42,0000 Wh of HUP batteries.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I'll be very interested to see the pricing on this battery bank, which I am expecting tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>David Palumbo <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Independent Power LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>462 Solar Way Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hyde Park, VT 05655<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>802-888-7194<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marco Mangelsdorf<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 10, 2014 7:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br><b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Aqueous Hybrid Ion batteries<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:windowtext'>This battery module—I have one sitting in my warehouse—is rated at 3,000 cycles @ 100 percent DOD. I don’t know of anything else that’s comparable on the market these days with those kinds of specs. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:windowtext'>If it performs as advertises, it’s hot stuff…and not cheap.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:windowtext'>marco<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:boB@midnitesolar.com">boB@midnitesolar.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 10, 2014 10:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Aqueous Hybrid Ion batteries<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Yes, that voltage range is a problem but it has evidently been improving.<br>It used to be much worse. We will see.<br><br>boB<br><br><br>On 11/10/2014 11:37 AM, Baxter, Gary wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>We have been asked to lower the DC input voltage to take advantage of these batteries. What engineering is saying is we can't go low enough on the low side and still produce peak AC voltage. Seems these batteries are catching on might need to revisit this again.<br><br>Gary Baxter <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Product Manager<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Magnum/Dimensions <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Nov 10, 2014, at 11:29 AM, "<a href="mailto:boB@midnitesolar.com">boB@midnitesolar.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:boB@midnitesolar.com">boB@midnitesolar.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Aquion's technology is evidently getting better and better from what we have seen.<br><br>Ryan Stankevitz from MidNite may be able tell you more if you would like an external opinion<br><br>boB<br><br><br><br>On 11/10/2014 9:10 AM, Dave wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have a customer with a grid-tied w battery back-up (formerly off-grid) with failing LA batteries. He found these batteries on the web and asked me to check them out.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Anyone out there know anything about this AHI technology and or this company, Aquion Energy? <b><span style='color:#4F81BD'><a href="http://www.aquionenergy.com/microgrid-energy-storage">http://www.aquionenergy.com/microgrid-energy-storage</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#4F81BD'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>David Palumbo <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Independent Power LLC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>462 Solar Way Drive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hyde Park, VT 05655<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>802-888-7194<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>