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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Christopher:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I'm not sure I understand your logic. It seems you are saying:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Life is dangerous anyway;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Children have been exposed to dangerous voltages due to other people’s poor workmanship or lax enforcement;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Performing safe and code compliant work is hard;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>240 VAC is more dangerous than 500 VDC.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Therefore, there is no obligation to address unsafe and code non-compliant situations in ground-mount PV systems.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>If I understand this correctly, we are not going to agree on this one. I think it is incumbent on all of us to aspire to higher standards of safety and I know it means working a little harder. It can be done.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>William Miller<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Lic 773985<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>millersolar.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>805-438-5600<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Warfel<br>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:34 AM<br>To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire management devices</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I am well aware of all the possibilities of danger in many aspects of life. This is not a main one in my opinion, and given that there are no good solutions indicates to me that it is mostly an unsolvable problem unless you wish to be impractical. All I asked for were products that could provide a solution. . I have inspected in several states with solar programs that will not enforce securing electrical enclosures in living spaces that have access to 240 v. I even seen this situation in a children's play room.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I think that is more than a little more serious issue.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On 10/13/2014 11:27 AM, William Miller wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Christopher:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I believe strongly that the code requirement to protect PV wires from <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> unauthorized personnel is justified. Ground mount arrays are <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> essentially jungle gyms and could attract children to climb. If a 50 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> pound child inadvertently swings on a PV cable across a sharp metal <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> edge the insulation could easily be compromised. The current limited <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> nature of PV means the current will sink through the short until the <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> short is opened, leaving up to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 600 volts at fatal amperage exposed to the touch. Inadequate ground <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> fault interruption technology does little to prevent the problem.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> You cannot legally install a convenience receptacle at any height <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> above ground with the individual conductors exposed, so why should one <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> be allowed to install PV with individual conductors readily accessible?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I grant you that shielding PV wiring on a ground mount is a difficult <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> process. It is very unfortunate that the industry has been allowed to <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> evolve without developing decent wire management hardware in the process.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> If you are not aware of the work we have done on wire management <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> solutions, you might visit our website where we share all of our <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ideas. We are giving away trade secrets, but I feel a moral <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> obligation to help everyone in the industry deliver a safe product.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Most sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> William Miller<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Lic 773985<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> millersolar.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 805-438-5600<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> From: RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a>] <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On Behalf Of Christopher Warfel<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 5:56 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire management devices<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Thanks all, I don't see a good solution to what I think is a <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> non-existent problem. I believe that anyone who wants to pull apart <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> dc subarray conductors is attempting to vandalize. It's not easy to <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> do, and you really have to be wondering why someone would even try. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Why don't we put all electrical outlets 8 feet off the ground?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On 10/13/2014 2:27 AM, William Miller wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> Friends:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> I looked at the Solarmount web site and I don't think the product<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> complies-- the wire management leaves leads exposed. It's a nice <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> start,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> however.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> I was asked by Homepower to do an article on wire management. I was <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> flattered they'd ask, but I had to decline because there is so few <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> options off-the-shelf that I can recommend.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> William<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> Lic 773985<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> millersolar.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> 805-438-5600<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Change listserver email address & settings:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> List-Archive: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> .html<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> List rules & etiquette:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Check out or update participant bios:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>www.members.re-wrenches.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>--<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Christopher Warfel, President<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ENTECH Engineering, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>401-466-8978<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Change listserver email address & settings:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>List rules & etiquette:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Check out or update participant bios:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>www.members.re-wrenches.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>