<div dir="ltr">Mute the UPS. <div>I am always amused by the AV attitude that their equipment is so delicate it could not sustain the slightest ripple. I worked on the road for many years and we had to use what ever power we could get. I've seen Crown amplifiers last a lifetime despite such hardships, because they are properly built. If the equipment is worth all the money they charge, how come it is more delicate than the average TV and amplifier?</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 3:03 PM, William Miller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" target="_blank">william@millersolar.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Friends:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I met with the AV crew yesterday. They are completely unwilling to run the system without a UPS. I have some choices:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">See if we have a real problem, and if so, how bad is it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Temporarily disable the Sunny Boy inverters to see if eliminating the Frequency Shift Power Control (FSPC) makes the UPS happier. I have done this and am waiting for results.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If the above creates good results, consider removing the Sunny Boy inverters and rely on direct DC battery charging, maybe by using Morningstar MPPT-600 charge controllers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Find out if the inverters, generator or both are causing a problem.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>5.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If it is the generator, have it repaired or try to reprogram the Sunny Island inverters to disable transfer and utilize battery charging only. Has anyone done this?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>6.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If it is the inverters, have them repaired or select another product.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>7.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If I am confident that power quality is adequate, mute the UPS and ignore it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I will let you know how this progresses because I think there is interest and others have experienced similar problems.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">William<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Jefferson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 15, 2014 11:11 AM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] More Sunny Island power problems<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div><div>
<div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Afternoon William,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The communication is there to send the signal to the Sunny Boys to go into off-grid mode, when the grid fails. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Frequency shift still occurs when current is not needed from the SBoy’s. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I typically would not recommend that a UPS circuit be placed in the protected loads panel.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The UPS is looking for grid issues, and I think the frequency shift feature would probably fall under that.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As for the SI frying the UPS, it is my opinion that the UPS failed. It should have disconnected and started to provide backup power to its loads when the SI started to shift the freq.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That’s its job.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I Still think it is a good idea to examine the SI data, maybe you can figure out if the SI was in Freq shift mode when the UPS failed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Miller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 15, 2014 9:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] More Sunny Island power problems<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mac:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I will review the data. Thanks!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">William<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mac Lewis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 15, 2014 9:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] More Sunny Island power problems<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p>William, <br>
As far as I understand, the communication is supposed to take away the need for frequency shift. Have you pulled the data off of the Sim card and looked for frequency shift?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 15, 2014 10:24 AM, "William Miller" <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" target="_blank">william@millersolar.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Friends:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A Sunny Island mini-grid system I am maintaining also does not play nice with a UPS unit. So much so that the system reportedly fried a Furman UPS unit yesterday! </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">This should not be! The UPS unit is supposed to protect downstream equipment and should be able to protect itself as well. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I need to rent some high quality power monitoring equipment to monitor voltage, frequency and distortion. I need one three phase unit in the power building and I need something more compact for the AV equipment room. Does anyone have a recommendation for models that might work in this scenario?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The thought occurred to me that the system by which the Sunny Island varies line frequency may be problematic for sensitive electronics. I have connected the Sunny Island master to the Sunny Boys with RS485 and programmed the Sunny Boys for off-grid. Can this allow the two systems to communicate to regulate PV charge without relying on frequency shifting?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks in advance.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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