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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sweet....thanks for that info, I stand
      corrected!<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
IREC Certified Master Trainer™ for Small Wind Installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
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Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, 
a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

                
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      On 7/2/2014 2:55 PM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
      wrote:<br>
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      <div>The FullRiver DC400-6 AGM battery can issue 2000 amps for 5
        seconds so he should be fine.</div>
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      <div>Larry<br>
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          <div>On Jul 2, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Roy Butler <<a
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I haven't seen anyone mention
                the battery bank. If I understand correctly, there's a
                single string of sealed<br>
                L16 batteries on this inverter. I have my doubts as to
                whether or not that bank can provide the high current<br>
                the inverter needs to start this load.<br>
                <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
IREC Certified Master Trainer™ for Small Wind Installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747  <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.four-winds-energy.com/">www.four-winds-energy.com</a>

Join us at the 10th Annual Small Wind Conference
A Gathering of Installers, Manufacturers, Dealers, & Distributors
June 17 and 18, 2014 in Stevens Point, Wisconsin
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.smallwindconference.com/">www.smallwindconference.com</a>

Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, 
a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

                
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                On 7/2/2014 2:10 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote:<br>
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                    style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">To further
                    qualify my statements, the inverter will start the
                    pump without issue, but I should echo the warnings
                    by others that if there are other loads present,
                    especially other motor loads that could start
                    ​concurrently, you may experience issues. As long as
                    your customer understands the limitations and
                    possibilities, you may be just fine.</div>
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                        <div style="margin: 0px;"><span>Jason Szumlanski</span></div>
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                          Fafco Solar​</div>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at
                      11:00 AM, Jason Szumlanski <span dir="ltr"><<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:jason@fafcosolar.com"
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                          <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">For
                            what it's worth, I've run a single speed
                            1.5HP pool pump with a MS4448PAE in a mobile
                            application on a 38.4kWh battery bank
                            (sixteen Rolls S-530's). I have also run a
                            2.5HP Hayward EcoStar Variable Speed pool
                            pump at full RPM, but that startup current
                            is likely less than you well pump.</div>
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                          <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm
                            going to guess your 3/4HP well pump will be
                            a breeze to start with this inverter.</div>
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                                <div style="margin: 0px;"><span>Jason
                                    Szumlanski </span></div>
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                                  Fafco Solar​</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote"> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014
                            at 10:47 AM, Allan Sindelar <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                <div>Drake,<br>
                                  As a normal CYA, I'll always gently
                                  let a customer know that this (or any)
                                  particular combination of inverter and
                                  load sometimes proves incompatible,
                                  just in case the unexpected happens.
                                  (We once had a MS4448 that would not
                                  reliably start and run a condensing
                                  boiler; a switch to a different boiler
                                  resolved the issue.)<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Having said that note of caution, I
                                  wouldn't give it any concern. 3/4 HP
                                  and 1 HP well pumps have never been an
                                  issue; I would expect 1.5 HP to be
                                  easy to run. At 2 HP I'd be asking
                                  these questions here. <br>
                                  <br>
                                  You might check that it's a 3-wire,
                                  capacitor-start motor, but nowadays
                                  nearly all are. Two-wire pumps (with
                                  no control box) can add 50% to the
                                  surge.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  The Magnum has a fairly poor voltage
                                  regulation response. Sometimes the AC
                                  voltage can drop to ~80 VAC
                                  momentarily. So you might also caution
                                  your customer that the lights may
                                  flicker when the pump starts. In our
                                  home we know whenever our Kenmore
                                  fridge turns on.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Allan<br>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan
                                          Sindelar</b><br>
                                        <span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com"
                                            target="_blank">allan@sindelarsolar.com</a></span><br>
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                                          Sales Professional<br>
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                                          Founder (Retired), <span>Positive

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                                    <div> On 7/2/2014 8:17 AM, Drake
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                    <div> Hello Wrenches,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      We are hoping to use a Magnum PAE
                                      4448 to back up a household that
                                      includes a 3/4 HP deep well pump.
                                      There is about 120 feet of
                                      vertical rise and about 1000 feet
                                      of horizontal distance. <br>
                                      <br>
                                      I have been told that there is a
                                      correlation between the locked
                                      rotor current of a pump and the
                                      predictable ability of a specified
                                      inverter to power that pump. <br>
                                      <br>
                                      The plumber who installed the pump
                                      left no paperwork and retained no
                                      records of what pump he put in the
                                      hole last year. He could only say
                                      it was a 3/4 HP pump. We are
                                      therefore unable to obtain the
                                      manufacturer's nameplate
                                      specifications.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      The Magnum PAE 4448 has a 1 mS
                                      surge of 70 A (at 240 V) and a 100
                                      MS surge of 40 A. According to the
                                      NEC Table 430.251(A), a 3/4 HP
                                      motor has a locked rotor current
                                      of 41.4 amps at 230 V. <br>
                                      <br>
                                      This inverter can surge at 35.4 A
                                      for 5 seconds. The specified
                                      battery bank will be 8 Full River 
                                      L-16 AGMs. Can anyone say if:
                                      <ul>
                                        <li>Is there enough information
                                          to know if this setup will
                                          handle the pump, and if so,
                                          will it? </li>
                                        <li>How can an inverter's
                                          ability to power a motor or
                                          pump be calculated by knowing
                                          its locked rotor current?
                                          Which surge periods should be
                                          compared to the locked rotor
                                          current? </li>
                                        <li>Does the surge current need
                                          to equal locked rotor. How
                                          long must the inverter meet
                                          its required maximum surge? </li>
                                        <li>From experience with Magnums
                                          and pumps, does this seem like
                                          a good combination? </li>
                                      </ul>
                                      <br>
                                      Thank you,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Drake <br>
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