<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Code insanity. </div><div>There is never voltage on the load side of an open AC switch, arc fault, or circuit breaker device supplying a solar inverter that meets UL1741. Solar inverters are current sources only, and only while utility voltage is present. <br><br>/wk<div><br></div><div>William Korthof</div><div>714.875.3576</div><div>Sustainable Solutions</div><div>#956904</div></div><div><br>On May 27, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Will White <<a href="mailto:William.White@rgsenergy.com">William.White@rgsenergy.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We’ve run into the problem in MA where the electrical board suggested we cut apart Enphase trunk cable to put it in a raceway. We all know that isn’t possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Brooks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:18 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There is a basic problem that products are not currently available to specifically address this application. I know Enphase has done a lot of research lately
about this issue, so they may have uncovered problems that were previously not known. My information is that the products are actually bi-directional devices. GFCIs are not bi-direction and can fail with voltage on the load side of the device. It is possible
that some AFCIs have the same problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This AFCI provision is a requirement that was sold to UL and the Code Making Panel with the assurance from a very large breaker manufacturer that developing
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That manufacturer has not stepped forward with a product and so we find ourselves in 90.4 land (use the previous version of the code). Some AHJs have chosen
not to read it that way and have been requiring micro-inverter systems to be installed raceways (even though not compatible with raceways). NFPA likely have to issue an official interpretation on this since it is unclear whether a product will be developed
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Peltz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:32 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good to know, I was told this by bill brooks at a training a few months ago. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It is not acceptable to wire the AFCI breaker with the utility power on the output of the AFCI breaker. That does not meet the specifications for the AFCI breakers. These breakers are sensitive to having voltage
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<p class="MsoNormal">Take a standard breaker panel, install a Arc fault and run the wiring from the enphase like it is the grid: ie into the main lugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Then this will go out through the breaker in the correct fashion, and onto the main panel.<o:p></o:p></p>
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for 690.12 rapid shut down ranging from roof top disconnects, disconnects on the side of a house 20’ up, disconnects in attics, or only disconnects that can be activated on the ground. It varies between inspectors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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