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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Bill;<br>
<br>
The 2014 NEC (coupled with rampant misinterpretation) is
accelerating an ever widening gap between those that have "code"
and those that can't afford it. On one side, US installers are
forced to keep up with all the code changes, AHJs that don't
understand solar, and sky rocketing insurance rates, all for the
privilege to compete with the likes of Solar City, only to reap
the ever shrinking profit margins in the end.<br>
On the opposite front of solar are an ever increasing army of Do
It Yourself Idiots (DIYI ?!) that are hooking inverters directly
to large battery banks with car jumper cables, or plugging GT
inverters into the grid with male/ male extension cords. (there
really should be a law against that)<br>
So, apparently I work in the Purgatory of Solar, fixing imminently
dangerous situations, and not really caring so much lately about
the nuances of interpretation of the 2014 code.<br>
For my money, 2008 code mixed with some 2011 as needed, seemed to
be plenty safe without throwing the baby out with the bath water.
<br>
<br>
I'm glad to see you bring some sanity back to the playing field.
I always appreciate your comments.<br>
<br>
How about this Flying Cable, Dual Radian Install to stoke your
code interpreting abilities:<br>
<img src="cid:part1.05040706.09000900@solarray.com" alt=""><br>
The more you look, the wronger it gets.....the buss block in the
air on the right carries several KW of PV array current.....<br>
mmm, mmm, what's cookin'<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
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PS, I already had the project in Mexico, before this thread came
out......<br>
<br>
On 4/28/2014 5:57 PM, Bill Brooks wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Read
690.9(D) and 690.34. Not sure where this “hysteria—run for
the border” sentiment is coming from.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Bold","serif";color:windowtext">690.9(D)
Photovoltaic Source and Output Circuits. </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">Listed
PV<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">overcurrent
devices shall be required to provide overcurrent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">protection
in PV source and output circuits. The overcurrent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">devices
shall be accessible but shall not be required to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">be
readily accessible.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Bold","serif";color:windowtext">690.34
Access to Boxes. </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">Junction,
pull, and outlet boxes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">located
behind modules or panels shall be so installed that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">the
wiring contained in them can be rendered accessible<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">directly
or by displacement of a module(s) or panel(s) secured<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">by
removable fasteners and connected by a flexible<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:windowtext">wiring
system.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
is not a change. Please help me understand the concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bill
Brooks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ray Walters<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 28, 2014 2:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting so does "require a tool"
include taking a screw off the cover plate of the combiner
box, too?<br>
What a game changer. I'm going to Mexico for my next
project; I'll actually enjoy even more being the sole AHJ on
the project. <br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Licensed Master Electrician<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Solar Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>303 505-8760<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/28/2014 2:52 PM, Michael Morningstar
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Readily accessible is now defined in the
2014 NEC. Installing OCPD’s underneath a module is a major
faux paux, and I can’t imagine any AHJ thinking otherwise.
Having to remove a module in order to reset a breaker, what
a drag.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:#313434;background:white">"Capable
of being reached quickly for operation, renewal or
inspection without requiring those concerned to use a
tool, to climb over, remove obstacle or other.</span><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:#313434">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 28, 2014, at 10:29 AM,
William Miller <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">william@millersolar.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You call it a solar panel, I call
it a glass j-box cover plate. <br>
<br>
William<br>
<br>
Miller Solar<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 28, 2014, at 9:21 AM,
Jason Szumlanski <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jason@fafcosolar.com">jason@fafcosolar.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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If that is the interpretation,<br>
I don't see how the breakers are "readily
accessible" in a SolaDeck<br>
mounted anywhere, regardless of whether it is
under a module. It<br>
requires removal of four screws (using a tool) to
access the breakers<br>
inside the enclosure. It's all up to the AHJ. It
has not been an issue<br>
locally here. I can see how other jurisdictions
may not<br>
concur.
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