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    <div dir="ltr">I'm game: let's do it.  I was just at Home Depot this
      weekend talking about male male extension cords......<br>
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      Ray<br>
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      <div>I also admit to, when in a whimsical mood, asking staff at
        Home Depot / Ace hardware etc., how to make up a male to male
        extension cord so my Honda generator can run my house in an
        emergency. One of these days I'll find a co-conspiritor with a
        tiny camera and make an educational video of it. </div>
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        <div>Dan Fink,<br>
          Executive Director;<br>
          Otherpower<br>
          Buckville Energy Consulting<br>
          Buckville Publications LLC<br>
          NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers<br>
          970.672.4342<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Dave
          Click <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:daveclick@fsec.ucf.edu" target="_blank">daveclick@fsec.ucf.edu</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> If you also have the
              local electricians selling the kvar units as surefire ways
              to save 30% on your electric bill, I'd nominate that as
              myth/scheme/scam, though I hope most of those resellers
              are doing so only because they're naive. There was also
              some absurd company a few years ago which was selling a
              "3000W" module that looked suspiciously like a 200W module
              yet could produce a steady 3kW even without any load and
              even while in the shade. They had the clamp-on meter to
              prove it, so maybe they're still selling off area code
              exclusivity off for a mere $50,000 initial deposit.<br>
              <br>
              Screen-shots from this would be fun-- one of the
              ubiquitous "$50 for this complete guide to unplugging from
              grid by making your own solar panels"<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.powerfreedom.com/System/"
                target="_blank">http://www.powerfreedom.com/System/</a><br>
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              The YellowBook ad from a few years ago:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpHxEhO_DQ"
                target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpHxEhO_DQ</a><br>
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              I don't know where I got this picture-- from one of the
              "make your own solar panel" things online. Lovely
              aesthetics!<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxhl3q6hrr9z5sp/DIY%20PV.png"
                target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxhl3q6hrr9z5sp/DIY%20PV.png</a>
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                  <div>On 2014/4/12, 16:47, Allan Sindelar wrote:<br>
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                  <div class="h5"> Fellow Wrenches,<br>
                    Last year I prepared an hour's presentation for our
                    local Solar Fiesta on "Energy Myths, Schemes and
                    Scams". I covered mostly PV and the solar industry,
                    with a few slides about the physics of wind and
                    those cute spinny yard-art things called VAWTs.  I
                    also hit on "it takes more energy to make a PV panel
                    than it will ever produce", the limitations of
                    25-year module warranties, "free energy generators",
                    James McKirdy, lunar modules, and modules with
                    fraudulent listings. This was what I was able to
                    pull together.<br>
                    <br>
                    The workshop was popular and I have been asked to
                    give it again in a couple of weeks. I'm looking for
                    any suggestions that you may have for new or
                    additional material to update the presentation. Any
                    ideas are welcome, especially if you can provide
                    links to good stories and slide materials. This is
                    for a general non-technical audience, but I have the
                    freedom to go in any direction I wish. So I'd like
                    to be more than just entertaining, but make points
                    about value over price, using local installers with
                    knowledge and experience, etc. <br>
                    <br>
                    Beside my appreciation for the material, I'll offer
                    in return to share an editable version of the
                    presentation for your own use (although it's a 14
                    meg PowerPoint file at present).<br>
                    <br>
                    Thank you in advance for your suggestions of
                    anything that gets your blood boiling, that would be
                    funny if it wasn't giving PV and clean energy a bad
                    name.<br>
                    Allan<br>
                    <div>-- <br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br>
                          <span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"
                              target="_blank"><u><span
                                  style="color:#000099">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></u></a></span><br>
                          <span style="font-size:10.0pt">NABCEP
                            Certified PV Installation Professional<br>
                            NABCEP Certified Technical Sales
                            Professional<br>
                            New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
                            Founder (Retired), <b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:10.0pt">A Certified B <span>Corporation<sup><span
                                  style="font-size:7.5pt">TM</span></sup></span><br>
                            <b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="tel:505%20780-2738"
                                value="+15057802738" target="_blank">505
                                780-2738</a> cell</b><br>
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