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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/2014 10:30 AM, Dan Fink wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I absolutely recommend including the build-your-own
solar panel schemes / scams that Dave mentioned -- there are a
zillion of them, most have a "4" in the URL (power4patriots,
etc)
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And don't forget to look for the "investors" link !<br>
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One thing I have noticed online with people selling PV modules
(Amazon and Ebay) and alternators for homebuilt wind turbines
(all over the 'net) is -- multiplying open-circuit voltage by
closed-circuit amperage to get overrated "watts" , and a video
of the multimeter to "prove" it. Ouch. Good teachable moment
on how to use a multimeter, though.</div>
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<div>You might also include the very popular (on Ebay) little
grid-tie inverters that take DC solar input on one side and
simply plug into a wall outlet on the other side. </div>
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<div>I also admit to, when in a whimsical mood, asking staff at
Home Depot / Ace hardware etc., how to make up a male to male
extension cord so my Honda generator can run my house in an
emergency. One of these days I'll find a co-conspiritor with a
tiny camera and make an educational video of it. </div>
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<div>Dan Fink,<br>
Executive Director;<br>
Otherpower<br>
Buckville Energy Consulting<br>
Buckville Publications LLC<br>
NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers<br>
970.672.4342<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Dave
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> If you also have the
local electricians selling the kvar units as surefire ways
to save 30% on your electric bill, I'd nominate that as
myth/scheme/scam, though I hope most of those resellers
are doing so only because they're naive. There was also
some absurd company a few years ago which was selling a
"3000W" module that looked suspiciously like a 200W module
yet could produce a steady 3kW even without any load and
even while in the shade. They had the clamp-on meter to
prove it, so maybe they're still selling off area code
exclusivity off for a mere $50,000 initial deposit.<br>
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Screen-shots from this would be fun-- one of the
ubiquitous "$50 for this complete guide to unplugging from
grid by making your own solar panels"<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.powerfreedom.com/System/"
target="_blank">http://www.powerfreedom.com/System/</a><br>
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The YellowBook ad from a few years ago:<br>
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target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpHxEhO_DQ</a><br>
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I don't know where I got this picture-- from one of the
"make your own solar panel" things online. Lovely
aesthetics!<br>
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target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxhl3q6hrr9z5sp/DIY%20PV.png</a>
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<div>On 2014/4/12, 16:47, Allan Sindelar wrote:<br>
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<div class="h5"> Fellow Wrenches,<br>
Last year I prepared an hour's presentation for our
local Solar Fiesta on "Energy Myths, Schemes and
Scams". I covered mostly PV and the solar industry,
with a few slides about the physics of wind and
those cute spinny yard-art things called VAWTs. I
also hit on "it takes more energy to make a PV panel
than it will ever produce", the limitations of
25-year module warranties, "free energy generators",
James McKirdy, lunar modules, and modules with
fraudulent listings. This was what I was able to
pull together.<br>
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The workshop was popular and I have been asked to
give it again in a couple of weeks. I'm looking for
any suggestions that you may have for new or
additional material to update the presentation. Any
ideas are welcome, especially if you can provide
links to good stories and slide materials. This is
for a general non-technical audience, but I have the
freedom to go in any direction I wish. So I'd like
to be more than just entertaining, but make points
about value over price, using local installers with
knowledge and experience, etc. <br>
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Beside my appreciation for the material, I'll offer
in return to share an editable version of the
presentation for your own use (although it's a 14
meg PowerPoint file at present).<br>
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Thank you in advance for your suggestions of
anything that gets your blood boiling, that would be
funny if it wasn't giving PV and clean energy a bad
name.<br>
Allan<br>
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