<div dir="ltr">Hi again Hugh,<div><br></div><div>Also, in Colorado, homeowners can do any and all work that they want, as long as they can get it passed inspection. Oftentimes, incentives discourage this because they need to use a licensed contractor to get the incentive. We have done a significant amount of business from shameful homeowners that have tried wiring stuff up that they bought off of the internet and couldn't get technical support to do code-compliant installation. We always charge a lot for this type of work.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Mac Lewis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maclewis1@gmail.com" target="_blank">maclewis1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Hugh,<div><br></div><div>This varies quite a bit all over the States. In Colorado, they have a distinction between an electrician and a PV installer. Electricians can do anything that the PV Installer can do, but not vice versa. In order to pull a state permit, a pv installer just needs to be listed on the regulatory agencies website, which takes a simple one-page application, and has more to do with business credentials than technical expertise. The PV installer is supposed to do only DC wiring. The voltage does not matter because that can mean all the way up to 600 VDC (and beyond) for PV and battery systems above 48V nominal are restricted by the NEC. </div>
<div><br></div><div>This seems to be the case in all of the jurisdictions that I have worked in. You don't need any credentials to install the DC side of things. The DC voltage is not a significant factor in who can wire what. For the AC side, a master electrician license is required to pull permits that have an AC portion of wiring.</div>
<div><br></div><div>However, often for some financial reason, such as utility incentive or to comply with bid requirements, a NABCEP certified person is required to oversee the DC side of things.</div><div><br></div><div>
Hope this helps,</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Ray Walters <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank">ray@solarray.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>New Mexico used to have a low voltage
electrician. It was for communications guys, and was limited to
under 50 v. <br>
Actually pretty useless, since most systems had inverters. Also
it wasn't that much harder to just get a regular electrical
license.<br>
Also, some considered even 24 v systems to be over 50 v, since the
Voc in cold weather could exceed 50v.<br>
Generally, for maintenance/ battery replacement on off grid stuff,
no one worries about it. If you are doing new construction,
pulling permits, then you need to have much more than just the
license.<br>
Insurance, bonding, worker's comp, etc. are also all required.<br>
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On 3/6/2014 6:33 PM, Hugh Piggott wrote:<br>
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<div>Maybe that was confusing. Just to clarify this question, I
will break it down as follows:
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<ul>
<li>What qualifications do you need to legally work on
electrical systems in your country/state?</li>
<li><b>Is the circuit voltage a factor</b>, and if there is
a different rule for ELV systems, then how is ELV defined?</li>
<li>What other factors are applicable such as status
(homeowner, installer, paid/unpaid) and location (inside
home, wet location, etc)?</li>
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<div>Thanks for any observations.</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">hi All,
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<div>I am trying to find some general statements that
can be made about the global legal position on who may
or may not work on/install "extra low voltage" (ELV)
systems or equipment such as batteries, PV, turbines
etc.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I understand that in the USA this is a matter for
state legislation rather than federal. I'd be
interested to learn what rules people follow regarding
such work and who can do it, for themselves or for
money, in what environment (inside or outside the home
for example, dry or wet etc) and at what voltages?
The definition of ELV seems to change depending on
various factors, one of which is whether it is
"separated" (floating and well insulated) or not.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Many of us work with battery systems, and not
everyone is a certified electrician. I'd love to know
some ground rules.</div>
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<div>thanks!</div>
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