<html><head><base href="x-msg://248/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">what inverter(s) are you using? In many cases the Neutral is not considered a Current Carying Conductor by the Manufacturer and therefore you only have 3 CCC.<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Mar 4, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Kirk Herander wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Approx.. 50 – 60ft.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Kirk Herander<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">VT Solar, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">dba Vermont Solar Engineering<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">NABCEP<sup>TM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></sup>Certified Inaugural Certificant<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">NYSERDA-eligible Installer<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">VT RE Incentive Program Partner<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">802.863.1202<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ray Walters<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:05 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] conductors and the 120% rule<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">What is the length of the conduit to the subpanel? That will determine whether to apply the derates.<br><br><o:p></o:p></div><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Licensed Master Electrician<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Solar Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">303 505-8760<o:p></o:p></pre><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On 3/4/2014 1:34 PM, Kirk Herander wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Whether or not a further derate has to be applied is the killer here, as I am working with existing panels and conductors. In an old Code Corner(HP140) J. Wiles goes through a similar scenario and calls out the allowable current rating and conductor in 310.15, but makes no mention of applying additional derate factors. The .8 derate for 4-6 conductors(l1,l2,l3, & n) will put the existing 4/0 cable between feed-in and main panel at 208 amps, less than the allowable 217. I’d hate to need to upsize the wire to 250 mcm.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Kirk Herander</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">VT Solar, LLC</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">dba Vermont Solar Engineering</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">NABCEP<sup>TM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></sup>Certified Inaugural Certificant</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">NYSERDA-eligible Installer</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">VT RE Incentive Program Partner</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">802.863.1202</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jason Szumlanski<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:57 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] conductors and the 120% rule</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Both the bus and conductors need to be rated for 217 amps minimum. As you mentioned, the bus is not a problem. The way I interpret it, the conductor size required would be after derate factors are applied. The rating of the conductor is ultimately dependent on the derate factors.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">If you can locate your subpanel adjacent to the main distribution panel, you may be able to use Exception #3 to 310.15(B)(2) by connecting the panels with a short nipple. I assume you are just looking at a number of conductor derate and not an ambient temperature derate.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div id="WISESTAMP_SIG_gmail_session"><div><div style="margin-bottom: 6pt; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Jason Szumlanski</span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Fafco Solar</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><br> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; border-top-style: solid; border-right-style: solid; border-bottom-style: solid; border-left-style: solid; border-top-color: windowtext; border-right-color: windowtext; border-bottom-color: windowtext; border-left-color: windowtext; border-top-width: 1pt; border-right-width: 1pt; border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-left-width: 1pt; padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><span><image001.jpg></span></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Kirk Herander <<a href="mailto:kirk@vtsolar.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">kirk@vtsolar.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; ">Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; ">I have a 225 amp 3-phase main lug sub-panel protected by a 200 amp breaker. My inverter breaker feeding the sub panel is 60 amps. So 225 a bus x 1.2 = 270 amps. That’s less than the sum of the two breakers of 260 amps, so no issue there. The conductors between sub and main panel have to be rated for at least 260/1.2 = 217 amps, correct? Is this 217 amps before or after derating the conductor?</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; ">Kirk Herander</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; ">VT Solar, LLC</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; 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