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<DIV><SPAN class=032032917-09022014><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"Has
anybody scoped ac line to VFX's under full charge load? I'm curious about
harmonics possibly being the culprit "</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032032917-09022014><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Yes,
it's pretty nasty. This is why we stopped using Outback products for off-grid
sites with significant use of generator charging. Not only are the chargers
really wimpy, we found all manner of harmonics caused by the charger
circuit. Loads ran fine on inverter; fine on generator but would not run at
all or reliably with gen running in charge mode. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032032917-09022014><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It
took some time to figure this out. Ended up having to tear out several
new outback systems & replace with another brand to keep customers
happy. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032032917-09022014><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What
we have done successfully for sites where the customer doesn't want to replace
the Outback is install a bank of external battery chargers, ie the Iota DLS
series and use those for gen charging purposes only. Sub-optimal in a lot of
respects but that's what happens when a client buys hardware and says "make it
all work". A DC genset would be way more efficient. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032032917-09022014></SPAN><SPAN class=032032917-09022014><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Another thought have you tried
another breaker on the gen? Weak breakers do happen, have seen that on
brand new gensets. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=032032917-09022014><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Kevin</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>bruce@willpowerelect.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> February 9, 2014 9:28
AM<BR><B>To:</B> RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Charging a
HUP<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><SPAN
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<DIV>Roger the 136-272 charge amps, and the theoretical max of 295 with this
system. Hoping for reality of 160 - 200. Fortunately it's a 'good' customer
with very efficient running loads, just a bit of a power tool habit and the
hydronic heating recirc pump loads. Unfortunately, there have been 3 trades on
site recently using power while I'm trying to get the battery filled up! but
generally about 3x solar/useage during fair weather.</DIV>
<DIV>With 3 inverters, this week I'm trying #3 with full charging, 1 and 2 at
about 60%. #1 should carry most of the load demands, #3 most of the charge
demand. I also found a spot in the Mate 3 to set maximum charging kw and I set
that to 7kw. Maybe that will help gen overload.</DIV>
<DIV>Has anybody scoped ac line to VFX's under full charge load? I'm curious
about harmonics possibly being the culprit between a 12.3 kw load bank not
tripping the breaker, and a 5-6 kw charging load tripping the
breaker...<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Bruce <BR><BR></DIV>
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February 09, 2014 8:07 am<BR>To: "'RE-wrenches'" <<A
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">Thanks
Jay,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">We
used to be able to figure the max charge rate at 25% of the packs capacity.
That might not work with the HUP packs.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">Glad
you have a manual! <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">It
is always a good idea to follow the directions in the
manuals!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">Later,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">Bob
Ellison<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>
[<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>jay peltz<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:38
AM<BR><B>To:</B> RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Charging a
HUP<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi guys,<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The HUP manual specifies
minimum charge rate of 136 amps, max at 272,<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">jay<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">peltz power<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:38 AM, RE
Ellison wrote:<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">Sounds
like there is a need for a bigger generator, my gut tells me there is almost
enough (but not quite), with 12kw to almost max the chargers and nothing
left to feed the other loads.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">I
have found that “on paper” and reality do not always mix
well.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">Getting
max theoretical charging capacity from solar and the generator at the same
time is sometimes a tough nut to crack, although batteries seem to “like”
the varying charge better than a steady max charge. That battery can
probably absorb 420 amps as the charging max using the usual 3 stage
charging we have with inverters, you’re not getting anywhere near enough to
max them with that generator. Powering down all the chargers 30% or so (or 1
inverter totally) would help stop the breaker trips but slow the charging
off the generator. Then you just need to pray for lots of
sun.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">Is
the solar alone enough to power the loads in the normal day to day usage in
a best case situation, or is this a case of the generator has to run to keep
up?</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">Up
here we have seen 1 sunny day in 3 weeks, we know about generator
usage…..</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'"></SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">I
can’t speak on the HUP’s. I have never used them, but might they be somewhat
hard to charge?</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-serif'">Just
some thoughts, but it’s 3 am and I hope it makes sense in the morning when I
reread it….</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><A
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target=_blank>re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
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href="mailto:bruce@willpowerelect.com"
target=_blank>bruce@willpowerelect.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Sunday, February 09, 2014 1:29
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [RE-wrenches] Charging a
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Hi
Larry,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">I
have an FNDC in the system. Manufacturer wanted 2 hour EQ before adding
water to the new battery. We got that and had SG between 1.260 and 1.275 on
all 24 cells. Cells were very thirsty (shipped with electrolyte almost to
the plates) and took 8.5 gallons between all cells. We aren't having much
trouble getting voltage back up but SG is below 1.23 (within .01 on cells
tested). Strategy at this point is to give a daily bulk and absorb and EQ
every 3 or 4 days for extended times and monitor SG. Discontinue hard
charging when SG plateaus. I generally shoot for c/10 charge current, and
nervous about barely c/20 and a 12kw genset only giving me about
5.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Charging a
HUP<BR>From: "Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems"<BR><<A
href="mailto:larry@starlightsolar.com"
target=_blank>larry@starlightsolar.com</A>><BR>Date: Sat, February 08,
2014 11:50 am<BR>To: RE-wrenches <<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target=_blank>re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR><BR>Hi
Bruce,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Please
explain "feeding it properly". Charging any lead acid battery slowly
actually preserves battery life. As long as you are achieving the
recommended charge voltage (temperature compensated) for long enough time,
and reaching 100% SoC regularly, you are caring for the
battery.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">At
82kWh battery capacity and 6.5kW PV, the customer may have a hard time
getting to 100%. You did not mention, but I HOPE you have a battery
capacity meter in the system. It's mandatory if they want to care for the
battery. Since the customer has a small generator, they need to
realize the limitations and reduce their loads during generator time so
you can use the full output.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">On
Feb 7, 2014, at 11:46 PM,<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:bruce@willpowerelect.com"
target=_blank>bruce@willpowerelect.com</A><SPAN
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All,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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VFX 3648</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">2
FM 80</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">6.5
kw solar</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">12
kw generator</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">PSX
240 on generator output and VFX
stacking</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Mate
3</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">HUP
1690 ah</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">System
design considering 45 amp charge current from each VFX totaling 135 amps.
(135 x ~55v = 7.42kw) Potential charge current from 2 arrays and FM
80's, 90 - 100 amps. On a good day, reasonable to expect 200+
amps?</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Have
not been able to exceed 90 amps for more than 30 minutes, with the
generator putting out about 9 kw before it's 70 amp 2pole breaker trips.
L1 42 amps, L2 37 amps. 5 amps neutral. Load banked to 12.3 kw (51 amps @
240v) resistive without breaker trip.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">I
have had to dial back the maximum charge current in the Mate 3 to 12 amps
each on two of the inverters (L1 and L2) and 8 on inverter 3 to keep the
generator from tripping out when customer turns on the microwave or coffee
pot. In effect, 42 amps charge @ 240 v = 7.6 kw. At the battery, I'm only
seeing 80 amps of charge current. Running loads are typically less than 1
kw but there has been a of construction going on with chop saws and
compressors creating annoying spikes that are easily handled by the
inverters when the generator is off.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">I
don't want to kill this new battery by not feeding it properly! I would
have put in a larger generator, but the owner bought the 12 kw before
deciding on the new battery. I thought the 12 would be merely adequate,
but not so....</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Any
suggestions?</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Fiero-RMI</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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