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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm definitely interested in being
      involved too.  I really respect how difficult the language
      crafting can be, and the frustration to have certain intent be
      misconstrued by an AHJ some where else later.  <br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
      On 1/23/2014 4:17 PM, Dan Fink wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Thanks for the correction on that sedona fire Bill;
        I had only seen the incorrect fire dept report.
        <div>I wish there was a clearinghouse for information on RE
          incidents and close calls as they are all teachable moments
          for both RE professionals and firefighters.</div>
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        <div>I ditto the need for more NEC guidance on battery banks. In
          my firefighting career, I've been at about a dozen structure
          fires involving RE equipment. Only 4 were actually caused by
          the RE equipment. *All* of those originated in or near the
          battery bank. 1 internal battery short circuit, 1 mouse chew
          inside battery box, and 2 bad connection when charging with a
          generator.</div>
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        <div>I'd like to get involved, Bill....I have lots to say about
          wooden battery boxes, parallel fusing, signage, and more. What
          are the first steps for getting involved?</div>
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            <div>Dan Fink,<br>
              Executive Director;<br>
              Otherpower<br>
              Buckville Energy Consulting<br>
              Buckville Publications LLC<br>
              NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers<br>
              970.672.4342<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:23 PM,
              Bill Brooks <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:billbrooks7@yahoo.com" target="_blank">billbrooks7@yahoo.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Jeffrey
                      and Ray,</span></p>
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                    <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Batteries
                      can off-gas hydrogen-sulfide gas when under heavy
                      charge or overcharge. It is the nasty rotten egg
                      smelling gas. Definitely not to be inhaled since
                      when it hits your lungs it turns back into
                      sulfuric acid.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">To
                      address Ray’s point, the new 690.12 regulation
                      that has been getting a lot of air time on this
                      list does, in fact, address battery circuits for
                      PV systems. Any circuit that is part of a PV
                      system inside a building within 5’ must be
                      controlled to 30V, 240VA within 10 seconds. This
                      includes all the ac output conductors from a
                      backup PV inverter and the battery inverter input
                      circuit as well. This provision matches the new
                      requirement for battery systems in 690.71(H) that
                      requires “A disconnecting means and overcurrent
                      protection shall be provided at the energy storage
                      device end of the circuit. Fused disconnecting
                      means or circuit breakers shall be permitted to be
                      used.” Ideally we try to keep our battery
                      conductors to 5’ or less and that means that no
                      additional disconnecting means would be necessary
                      according to the new 690.71(H). If we have to go
                      longer than 5’ and the conductors are inside the
                      building, a rapid shutdown capability would need
                      to be on that circuit and it would need to have a
                      disconnecting means and overcurrent protection.
                      The best way to meet this requirement would
                      probably be to have a shunt-trip breaker, similar
                      to what Midnite Solar provides with their
                      birdhouse setup.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There
                      are definitely much more discussion going on in
                      the NEC about energy storage now than ever before.
                      This next code cycle will be very busy on the
                      subject. It is likely that article 480 will soon
                      be turned into “Energy Storage” or a new article
                      in Chapter 6 or 7 will cover “Energy Storage
                      Systems.” It was proposed last cycle and failed,
                      but this time there is much more interest in the
                      subject. The solar industry needs to be involved,
                      so it sounds like this is your year for both of
                      you to get involved.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bill.</span></p>
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