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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Larry,<br>
      Let me learn from your experience.<br>
      <br>
      P1, P2 and P14 - so you're referring to a 2025, not a 2020. <br>
      Volts: generally about one volt below the bulk setpoint (24V
      systems) if the battery is in an unregulated thermal environment,
      such as outside. This is so that in late summer, when the
      batteries are their warmest, the charge controller still gets the
      voltage above the TM's voltage setpoint after hot-weather
      temperature compensation. Your thoughts?<br>
      Amps: generally set to about 2 to 2.5% of C/20 capacity. Typically
      we exempt this in systems with undersized arrays. If the array can
      barely achieve a C/40 rate, or if there is a big base load,
      there's no point. Your thoughts?<br>
      P14: Charged minimum time setting: I'm curious what you set this
      to. Especially when we set long absorption times, we set this to a
      minimum, preferring to have the meter reach charged parameters and
      reset itself regularly. Once more, your thoughts?<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      Allan<br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan <span class="SpellE">Sindelar</span></b><br>
                      <span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a
                          href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"><u><span
                              style="color:#000099">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></u></a></span><br>
                      <span style="font-size:10.0pt">NABCEP Certified PV
                        Installation Professional<br>
                        NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>
                        New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
                        Founder, <b>Positive Energy, Inc.<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">A
                        Certified B <span class="SpellE">Corporation<sup><span
                              style="font-size:7.5pt">TM</span></sup></span><br>
                        <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:street w:st="on">3209
                            Richards Lane</st1:street><br>
                          <st1:city w:st="on">Santa Fe</st1:city>, <st1:state
                            w:st="on">New Mexico</st1:state> <st1:postalcode
                            w:st="on">87507</st1:postalcode></st1:address><br>
                        <b>505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell</b><br>
                        <a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/"
                          target="_blank"><u>www.positiveenergysolar.com</u></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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      On 12/20/2013 10:16 AM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power
      Systems wrote:<br>
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      <div>This sounds like an ideal customer for AGM or GEL batteries.
        Far more efficient and no maintenance required. One thing for
        sure, I would check the programming of the Trimetric. You can
        undercharge a battery and never know it if the configuration is
        not done properly. Make sure to calculate and use P1, P2 and P14
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      <div>Larry</div>
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          <div>On Dec 19, 2013, at 9:23 PM, frenergy <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:frenergy@psln.com">frenergy@psln.com</a>>
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            <div>Tump, Larry, Tom, Ray, Steve...........</div>
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            <div>        First off this pack is a 2.3 hour round trip
              drive from here, it's winter so most of the charging would
              be her AC genny, the customer is in her 80's.  She has
              been recording SG's but I discovered she would take them
              without regard to battery SOC reflected in her Trimeteric,
              so they are useless.  I did not check SG's while I was
              there though I started the generator soon after I arrived
              to try and do just that,  but it was taking too long to
              get to even just 28 volts much less some fully charged
              voltage for a couple hours.</div>
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            <div>        From all your responses, my sense is to install
              a new pack.  Part of me loves the challenge of trying
              to"save" a pack that's on the edge of a (sulfated) cliff. 
              However, she is not capable of some of the tasks required
              those times when I'm not there (watering cells, adjusting
              voltage settings according to SG response to long charge
              times, monitoring temps to prevent a catastrophe, etc)
              This could evolve over the course of what would easily be
              days, probably weeks of culling/moving batts around in the
              pack, swapping cables, adjusting set points, swearing. 
              The cost to benefit ratio probably doesn't add up.</div>
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            <div>        Thanks for slapping me upside the head on this
              one.</div>
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            <div>Bill</div>
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