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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I just looked into it.  Yes there are
      other options, but none are even close to the price point of the
      Iota.   They are also super simple to setup, get the new IQ4
      option.<br>
      The only downside to the Iota, is they aren't that conducive to a
      NEC install; you got to live with some exposed cabling, unless you
      put the whole thing in a big enclosure.<br>
      <br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
      On 10/30/2013 2:16 PM, Dave Palumbo wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
            looking for a battery charger to augment an OutBack FX 2012
            inverter/charger for a 12V off-grid system that could use
            shorter charging times during our cloudy late fall/winter
            periods in northern Vermont. Both the generator and the
            battery bank are amply sized as is the PV array. I have used
            Iota chargers in the past, but wondered if they are other
            options worth considering.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">David
            Palumbo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Independent
            Power LLC <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">462
            Solar Way Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hyde
            Park, VT 05655<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.independentpowerllc.com">www.independentpowerllc.com</a>
                <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Vermont
            Solar Partner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">25
            Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:57 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] To stack or not to
                stack? Off-grid 240V<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hilton,<br>
            Kevin's comments are well taken. To add a bit:<br>
            <br>
            Magnum are exceptionally easy to set up and program. The
            user interface is well designed. A few issues to be aware of
            from my experience: <br>
            - All of our Magnum-based off grid systems have been single
            inverter. At 4 kW, a single inverter may not be enough for
            that particular 3hp motor - best to CYA with the customer on
            the possible need for a stacked pair. <br>
            - Magnum allows a pretty wide voltage dip to accomplish
            surge capacity, so when the saw starts, expect lights to
            flicker. Our CF bulbs flicker when the refrigerator starts.<br>
            <br>
            Our trial with Apollo a couple of years ago was probably the
            single most negative experience with an inverter
            manufacturer of my career. Kevin's comment that the most
            basic programming required hooking up to a computer is
            accurate. The computer must have their proprietary software
            installed, and the hookup was necessary even to initiate an
            equalize charge from an AC source. We have several warranty
            replacement and takeout units on a shelf here, from two
            installations (including in my own home) where the equipment
            was replaced after being unable to get it to work reliably.
            Ultimately, Apollo agreed in writing to reimburse us for the
            cost to replace their equipment with another brand. They
            never came through. <br>
            <br>
            Allan<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br>
              <span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"><u><span
                      style="color:#000099">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></u></a></span><br>
              <span style="font-size:10.0pt">NABCEP Certified PV
                Installation Professional<br>
                NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>
                New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
                Founder, <b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">A
                Certified B Corporation</span><sup><span
                  style="font-size:7.5pt">TM</span></sup><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
                3209 Richards Lane<br>
                Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br>
                <b>505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell</b><br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/"
                  target="_blank"><u>www.positiveenergysolar.com</u></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/29/2013 10:32 PM, Kevin Pegg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Hi
                Hilton, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">My
                $0.05 worth as off-grid is my primary domain. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">The
                SW4024 is an excellent inverter, reliable, robust and if
                you can find another stack them for 240 and will have no
                issues with the 3 HP table saw (assuming batteries can
                handle that is). I run my whole home from a 13 year old
                pair of them. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Magnum
                makes an excellent, robust, and reliable off-grid
                inverter. Available in 120 or 240 without stack.
                Stacking Magnums (for more power) is straightforward and
                the user interface is very simple and intuitive. There
                is some different hardware required for stacking. If a
                second SW4024 isn't an option then this is what I would
                do. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">I
                test installed an Apollo unit last year. What a
                frustrating experience that was. It requires a computer
                and a RS485 interface to program the most basic features
                to make the unit usable. Nice when I was real remote and
                without Internet. That alone makes it unappealing in my
                books. Seems they are a bit behind the rest of the
                crowd. I'd not trust a marketing department claim
                it will start that saw unless they can demonstrate it.
                (with of course some other loads on the system - having
                to power down the house so one can work in the shop is
                hardly usable). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Outback
                units are common, though suffer from weak battery
                chargers and power quality issues while under charge so
                for off-grid that involves any significant generator
                charging they are not ideal. They are complex to program
                and operate and end users report lots of frustration. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">-----Original
                Message-----<br>
                <b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"><u>re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</u></a>
                [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"><u>mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</u></a>]<b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Hilton Dier III<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> October 29, 2013 6:48 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><u>re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</u></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] To stack or not to stack?
                Off-grid 240V</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello
              Wrenches,<br>
              <br>
              I have an off-grid client with a 24V system and an old
              Xantrex SW4024. He wants 240VAC capability with enough
              oomph for sometimes making a cut with his 3 hp table saw
              without starting the generator.<br>
              <br>
              I am looking at Apollo, Magnum, and Outback inverters. I'm
              most familiar with Outback. I have a couple of
              installations out there with stacked 3.6 kW Outbacks.<br>
              <br>
              However, the Apollo marketing promises that their 3.2 kW
              inverter will start a 3 hp motor. Will it actually, and is
              this a good idea even if it can?<br>
              <br>
              I'd appreciate hearing about your experiences with 240V
              Apollo units, stacked Magnums, and stacked Outbacks. I
              know from experience that the Outbacks require some
              hundreds of dollars of extra fittings and electronics to
              make a proper stacked installation. How about Magnum? Any
              comments on reliability?<br>
              <br>
              Many Thanks,<br>
              <br>
              Hilton <o:p></o:p></p>
            <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Hilton Dier III<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Renewable Energy Design<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Partner, Solar Gain LLC<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>453 East Hill Rd.<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Middlesex, VT 05602<o:p></o:p></pre>
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