<div dir="ltr">True, but I don't think I'd want to risk the batteries and rely on customer load management. And it seems like energy management mode (according to the manual) should do what I want, so the lingering questions are:<div>
<div><br></div><div>Why is it staying in float/not going back to inverter after the timer expires?</div><div><br></div><div>Why did one of the two go into bulk when the well pump came on, even though battery voltage was fine?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks, I appreciate all the input!  It's the weekend, but please keep it coming!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>
</div><div>Brian Mehalic <br>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation Professional™ R031508-59<div>IREC ISPQ Certified Affiliated Instructor/PV US-0132<br><div><br></div><div>PV Curriculum Developer and Instructor<div>Solar Energy International<br>
<a href="http://www.solarenergy.org" target="_blank">http://www.solarenergy.org</a></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Allan Sindelar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:allan@positiveenergysolar.com" target="_blank">allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    <div>Brian,<br>
      Expanding on William's suggestion, you might also consider a
      conventional 240V time switch on the AC1 input, to limit the times
      when grid charging might occur. The inherent limitation of this
      approach is that it while it would effectively prevent charging
      during peak hours, it would defeat allowing the grid to charge
      when really needed, so the owners would have to pay more attention
      to their usage habits. This may not be so bad, as it would only
      affect short-term usage and would not depend on weather patterns
      varying the solar insolation.<br>
      Allan<br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan <span>Sindelar</span></b><br>
                      <span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:#000099">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></u></a></span><br>
                      <span style="font-size:10.0pt">NABCEP Certified PV
                        Installation Professional<br>
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                        New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
                        Founder, <b>Positive Energy, Inc.<u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
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      On 10/4/2013 3:28 PM, William Miller wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Brian:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Indeed
            LBX can have the unintended consequence of charging during
            peak hours if the loads draw the batteries down during that
            time.  This can be avoided if you can control the loads so
            all or most do not operate during peak hours.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">William<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">PS: 
            The obvious logic is that if you can control the loads to
            operate minimally or not at all during peak hours, you don’t
            need inverters and batteries anyway.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Wm<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
            <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
            [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
              Behalf Of </b>Brian Mehalic<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 04, 2013 1:39 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SWs in Energy
            Management Mode<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, I was thinking about using LBX,
            but the customer is really not too excited about it.  And
            based on the manual, Energy Management Mode seems like it
            fits the bill, but it doesn't seem to be going back into
            stand-alone/inverter mode when the timer is supossed to turn
            off.<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Brian Mehalic <br>
                  NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation
                  Professional™ R031508-59<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">IREC ISPQ Certified Affiliated
                    Instructor/PV US-0132<u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">PV Curriculum Developer and
                      Instructor<u></u><u></u></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Solar Energy International<br>
                        <a href="http://www.solarenergy.org" target="_blank">http://www.solarenergy.org</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:42 PM, <<a href="mailto:Eric.Bentsen@schneider-electric.com" target="_blank">Eric.Bentsen@schneider-electric.com</a>>
              wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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              <span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi
                Brian,</span> <br>
              <span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">LBX
                would be better for the way this customer is using the
                system, because it only connects</span> <br>
              <span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> to
                the grid when the batteries get low. Unfortunately, the
                timers do not affect LBX, so charging </span><br>
              <span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">may
                occur during the peak rate....or it may not :C)</span> <br>
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              <span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Rgds,</span>
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              </span><span style="color:green">_____</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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