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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Brian,<br>
Expanding on William's suggestion, you might also consider a
conventional 240V time switch on the AC1 input, to limit the times
when grid charging might occur. The inherent limitation of this
approach is that it while it would effectively prevent charging
during peak hours, it would defeat allowing the grid to charge
when really needed, so the owners would have to pay more attention
to their usage habits. This may not be so bad, as it would only
affect short-term usage and would not depend on weather patterns
varying the solar insolation.<br>
Allan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan <span class="SpellE">Sindelar</span></b><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">NABCEP Certified PV
Installation Professional<br>
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>
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Founder, <b>Positive Energy, Inc.<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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On 10/4/2013 3:28 PM, William Miller wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Indeed
LBX can have the unintended consequence of charging during
peak hours if the loads draw the batteries down during that
time. This can be avoided if you can control the loads so
all or most do not operate during peak hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">William<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">PS:
The obvious logic is that if you can control the loads to
operate minimally or not at all during peak hours, you don’t
need inverters and batteries anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Wm<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Brian Mehalic<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 04, 2013 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace SWs in Energy
Management Mode<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, I was thinking about using LBX,
but the customer is really not too excited about it. And
based on the manual, Energy Management Mode seems like it
fits the bill, but it doesn't seem to be going back into
stand-alone/inverter mode when the timer is supossed to turn
off.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Brian Mehalic <br>
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation
Professional™ R031508-59<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IREC ISPQ Certified Affiliated
Instructor/PV US-0132<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PV Curriculum Developer and
Instructor<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Solar Energy International<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">http://www.solarenergy.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:42 PM, <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Eric.Bentsen@schneider-electric.com"
target="_blank">Eric.Bentsen@schneider-electric.com</a>>
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi
Brian,</span> <br>
<span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">LBX
would be better for the way this customer is using the
system, because it only connects</span> <br>
<span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> to
the grid when the batteries get low. Unfortunately, the
timers do not affect LBX, so charging </span><br>
<span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">may
occur during the peak rate....or it may not :C)</span> <br>
<br>
<span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Rgds,</span>
<br>
<span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
</span><span style="color:green">_____</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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