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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=257253522-24092013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Allan: I know, THAT is a major concern of
mine. Is anyone else having this problem? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=257253522-24092013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I'd hoped there would, by now be a national/federal
"agreement" on what constitutes a save battery based grid-tie system, but I
guess we're not there yet....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=257253522-24092013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>--Chris @ the Oasis MT</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Allan
Sindelar<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Utilities see battery bank as
parasitic load?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Chris,<BR>This issue is being covered in the RE media
quite actively, as threats to industry success such as these can set precedents
in other states.<BR>Check out <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/fight-over-battery-backed-solar-in-southern-california?utm_source=Solar&utm_medium=Picture&utm_campaign=GTMDaily">http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/fight-over-battery-backed-solar-in-southern-california?utm_source=Solar&utm_medium=Picture&utm_campaign=GTMDaily</A>.
That's from this week.<BR>Allan<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>Allan <SPAN class=SpellE>Sindelar</SPAN></B><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: #000099">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</SPAN></U></A></SPAN><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional<BR>NABCEP
Certified Technical Sales Professional<BR>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman
Electrician<BR>Founder, <B>Positive Energy, Inc.<O:P></O:P></B></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">A Certified B <SPAN
class=SpellE>Corporation<SUP><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">TM</SPAN></SUP></SPAN><BR><ST1:ADDRESS
w:st="on"><ST1:STREET w:st="on">3209 Richards Lane</ST1:STREET><BR><ST1:CITY
w:st="on">Santa Fe</ST1:CITY>, <ST1:STATE w:st="on">New Mexico</ST1:STATE>
<ST1:POSTALCODE w:st="on">87507</ST1:POSTALCODE></ST1:ADDRESS><BR><B>505
424-1112 office 780-2738 cell</B><BR><A
href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/"
target=_blank><U>www.positiveenergysolar.com</U></A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></SPAN> </P></DIV></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></DIV>On
9/24/2013 2:32 PM, Chris Daum wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=304122920-24092013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Brian:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=304122920-24092013></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=304122920-24092013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>The LADWP engineer (Tony Ramirez) advised the inspector
(Brenden Owens) who told my customer (who, ironically, is retired from working
at LADWP) that he couldn't have a straight battery-based system. And has
to interface his system with a batteryless grid-tie
inverter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=304122920-24092013></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=304122920-24092013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>You know any of these guys? Got any clout with
them?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=304122920-24092013></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=304122920-24092013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>--Chris Daum</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=304122920-24092013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Oasis Montana Inc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>
[<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Brian Teitelbaum<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 24,
2013 2:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B> RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Utilities see battery bank as parasitic load?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Chris,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Is
that the “inspector” saying that, or the LADWP rep?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Brian
Teitelbaum<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">AEE
Solar<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>
[<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Chris Daum<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 24, 2013
12:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'RE-wrenches'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [RE-wrenches]
Utilities see battery bank as parasitic
load?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hello
Wrenches:</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ok, here's one for
you. We have a customer whose utility provider is L.A. Dept. of Water
& Power; he's getting ready to install his battery-based grid-tie system
with a Radian inverter, load center, HUB4, eight - 250W modules....etc.
But the inspector is calling foul, saying his 'battery bank is a parasitic
load" <SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> -- </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">the inspector also claims that the battery bank is a
“generator”</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"> </SPAN>so he must utilize a
straight grid-tie inverter (5KW Power One) and make this an AC coupled system
to be legal.<SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> </SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The
question then becomes; does the PowerOne GT5kW inverter play nicely with the
Outback Radian when the Radian is the BB Inverter? </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Maybe
there is a way to save our customer the cost of the new PowerOne inverter if
we configure the Radian differently?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Any advice <SPAN
style="COLOR: black">or suggestions that</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black">you can offer would be most
helpful!</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN>And is anyone else running into
this? It just seems crazy.<SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"> </SPAN></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Chris
Daum</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Oasis Montana
Inc.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">406-777-4309</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">406-777-0830
fax <SPAN
style="COLOR: navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV><BR>
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