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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's almost $2000/ kwh, which is
      close to 10 times the cost of the best lead acid.  That doesn't
      seem to make sense for solar yet, but it would for electric
      vehicles because of the weight reduction. Possibly their price has
      dropped in 2 years?   I'm seeing some other sources in the EV
      world selling 100 AH Li+ cells for about $450/ kwh, which is more
      like it.<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
      On 9/22/2013 10:14 PM, Kevin Pegg wrote:<br>
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      <div><span class="873031004-23092013"><font face="Arial" size="2"
            color="#0000ff">I did get a quote from Corvus for one
            project back in Feb 2011. Client hasn't given go ahead
            yet. 12.4 kWh, ie 2 of their 8D format cells was going to
            set me back $24,000 CAD. The contract for purchase document
            is only slightly less complex than purchasing a home..... 14
            pages worth of. </font></span></div>
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      <div><span class="873031004-23092013"><font face="Arial" size="2"
            color="#0000ff">Kevin</font></span></div>
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        <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><font
            face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
            <b>From:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<b>On
              Behalf Of </b>Ray Walters<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> September 19, 2013 9:51 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Li-I question<br>
            <br>
          </font></div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Looks interesting,  I've been
          waiting for Li+ to start making sense on larger scales.  <br>
          The cycle life does not appear to be better than a HUP lead
          acid battery, despite the claims of "10 times the cycle life
          of an AGM battery"  I'm confused because in their white paper
          they also claim: 200 cycles at 100% DOD < 2000 cycles at
          80% DOD > 3000 cycles at 80% DOD.  <br>
          What does that mean?<br>
          Also the warranty has 3 yr free replacement, 10 yr prorated,
          but doesn't cover shipping or installation, and also demands
          an engineering evaluation of the installation to allow the
          warranty.  Despite their claims of being the most
          comprehensive warranty in the business; it is not.<br>
          My entire power tool collection as well as my computer and
          phone run on Li+, so I'm a believer, but I've also been
          vetting BS claims in our industry for over 2 decades.  Corvus
          needs to put more time into some BCI cycle life charts, and
          provide a warranty that covers shipping and installation time
          like others.  Some case studies, and independent testing would
          help as well.<br>
          Anybody have any ball park pricing on this?<br>
          <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
          On 9/19/2013 9:58 PM, Kevin Pegg wrote:<br>
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                class="250195403-20092013">These folks are real I've met
                with and touched the product. I've been working on a
                possible use of these but client hasn't said go yet so
                can't quite yet vouch for the product. <a
                  href="http://www.corvus-energy.com/"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.corvus-energy.com/</a></span></font></div>
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          <div><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span
                class="250195403-20092013">Kevin</span></font></div>
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            <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><font
                face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
                <b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
                [<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> September 16, 2013 12:58 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Li-I question<br>
                <br>
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            Wrenches,<br>
            In order to provide accurate information about lithium-ion
            batteries, I'm looking for referrals to current suppliers
            with available product, with specifications and retail
            pricing available. Having read Randy Richmond's article on
            Li-I in HP153 earlier this year and Dan Fink's posts here, I
            understand the advantages and limitations. I am just looking
            for actual supplier websites and contacts, please.<br>
            Thank you,<br>
            Allan<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan <span class="SpellE">Sindelar</span></b><br>
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                      href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><u><span style="COLOR:
                          #000099">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></u></a></span><br>
                  <span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">NABCEP Certified PV
                    Installation Professional <br>
                    NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>
                    New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
                    Founder and Chief Technology Officer<br>
                    <b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b>, a Certified B <span
                      class="SpellE">Corporation<sup><span
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">TM</span></sup></span><br>
                    3209 Richards Lane<br>
                    Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br>
                    <b>505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell</b><br>
                    <a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/"
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