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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s my understanding that once one goes into a covered raceway that the double-insulated wire is no longer required.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>marco<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jesse Dahl<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 6:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] transformerless inverters and conductor colors<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Marco,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You said that after your "j-box" you will transition to THHN/THWN. Wouldn't you still need to use PVWire or some type of jacketed cable all the way to the inverter? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jesse<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Sep 23, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Brian Mehalic <<a href="mailto:brian@solarenergy.org">brian@solarenergy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The 2014 NEC addresses this in a change in 215.12(C)(2), "Feeders Supplies from Direct-Current Systems". (There is similar language in 210.5(C)(2) in regards to branch circuits). I know many folks won't be on the 2014 cycle for some time, but at least it is defined now.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Conductors 6 AWG or smaller have to be identified by polarity at all termination, connection, and splice points as in one of 3 ways:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ungrounded, positive polarity <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1: red<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2: red stripe along entire length (conductor cannot be white, gray, black or green)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3: "+", "POS", or "POSITIVE" marked at least every 24 inches (again conductor cannot be white, gray, black or green)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ungrounded, negative polarity<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1: black<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2: black stripe along entire length (conductor cannot be white, gray, red or green)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3: "-", "NEG", or "NEGATIVE" marked at least every 24 inches (again conductor cannot be white, gray, red or green)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Additionally, the methods used must be documented and "readily available or...permanently posted" at the equipment.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Brian Mehalic <br>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation Professional™ R031508-59<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>IREC ISPQ Certified Affiliated Instructor/PV US-0132<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>PV Curriculum Developer and Instructor<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Solar Energy International<br><a href="http://www.solarenergy.org" target="_blank">http://www.solarenergy.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Ray Walters <<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank">ray@solarray.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Marco;<br><br>Article 200.7 specifically prohibits using white wire for anything but grounded conductors. This came up last year on a large project with an ungrounded array, that also had white incorrectly specified in the plans. The appropriate colors would be red for positive, and black for negative. <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Licensed Master Electrician<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Solar Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="tel:303%20505-8760" target="_blank">303 505-8760</a><o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal>On 9/23/2013 1:27 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We’re doing more and more installs with TL inverters (SMA and P1).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’m using double-insulated wire from the array string to the first enclosure, as in j-box, and then transitioning to standard THHN/THWN wire.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I recently purchased some of that #10 double-insulated wire, getting a spool of black and white.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Then after receiving the two spools it occurred to me: since the array is ungrounded, as far as there being no grounded conductor in the circuit, did I blow it by getting a spool of white wire?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What sayeth you all? 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