<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Jeff,<div><br></div><div>I agree with William, but I also know how we try to help our customers. (Murphy's law is always in effect!) I would caution you in making any assessment of the batteries. You really can't tell how much damage there is.</div><div><br></div><div>My story involved a cracked post INSIDE the battery, un-viewable from the outside. This results in a high resistance connection, with melting/high temperature at the affected post. I had one that didn't show right away, but later the customer called with "a strange smell" coming from the bank. On inspection we discovered a large hole in the top/side of one of the batteries!</div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Jeff Clearwater wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Hi Wrenchies,<br><br>Any Input would be
greatly appreciated!<br></span><br>Jeff Clearwater wrote:<blockquote style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255,
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<div style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Esteemed Wrenches,<br><br>I
need your advice on this most unfortunate situation.<br><br>I arranged a
purchase of 16 Trojan L16 RE-Bs for a client and they went to pick them
up. They didn't secure them well on their flatbed tralier and as they
climbed their windy mountain driveway they lost 4 of the batteries over
the side of the road and several more fell on their side on the trailer.<br><br>The
damage falls in 3 categories:<br><br>1) Broken or cracked posts, caps
and handles,<br><br>2) Loss of Acid<br><br>3) Unknown damage due to
shock of falling . . . <br><br>It's the last category that concerns me -
I'm recommending they replace the ones that took a tumble enough to
break posts. (although experience with fixing posts would be welcomed)<br><br>And
the loss of acid doesn't seem extensive - the voltage is holding fine -
perhaps we'll just add water or perhaps acid and water - we'll work
that one. (though any input on amount of acid lost before needing to
add acid would be welcomed input) (all but one seem to be above the
plates still).<br><br>But I'm seeking advice on whether you can trust an
L16 that has violently fallen on its side. Can the force of a fall
like that loosen or crack plates and cause problems that show up later?<br><br>Here's
the summary of damage:<br><br></span><span><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">Battery
Voltage
Damage
Fill Level
<br>
1
6.342
<br>
<br>
2
6.343
<br>
<br>
3
6.341
<br>
<br>
4
6.318
<br>
<br>
5
6.351
<br>
<br>
6
6.315
<br>
<br>
7
6.349
<br>
<br>
8
6.314
<br>
<br>
9
6.344
Broken Post
<br>
10 6.348
Cracked Post
<br>
11
6.33
<br>
<br>
12
6.336
<br>
<br>
13
6.304
Broken Handle
<br>
14
6.346
Broken Handle
<br>
15
6.334
2 Broken Posts, Case Cracked, Broken Handle
Plate Exposed<br>16
6.34
<br><br>Thanks!<br><br> </span><br><div class="moz-signature">--
<br><span><span style="font-family: monospace;">Jeff Clearwater</span><br style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="font-family: monospace;">
Village Power Design</span><br style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="font-family: monospace;">
Renewable Energy Design & Installation</span><br>Ecovillage Design
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<br><div class="moz-signature">-- <br><span><span style="font-family:
monospace;">Jeff Clearwater</span><br style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="font-family: monospace;">
Village Power Design</span><br style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="font-family: monospace;">
Renewable Energy Design & Installation</span><br>Ecovillage Design
Consultant<br style="font-family: monospace;"><br style="font-family:
monospace;"><span style="font-family: monospace;">NABCEP™ Certified
Solar PV Installer</span><br style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="font-family: monospace;">Licensed
Solar Contractor in CA - C-46</span><br style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="font-family: monospace;">
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