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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Phil and Wrenches,<br>
I agree that SCE's position is not suppportable. SCE has a long
history of obstructing PV while professing to support it; that's
my opinion based on following online PV newsletters and Wrenches
posts over the years. If SCE gets away with this, other utilities
are likely to follow. I don't know what action if any we should
take, as we're not in California. Should installers outside of
California weigh in on this? If so, how?<br>
<br>
I am also of the opinion that utilities in general are gathering
resources to fight back against this disruptive technology - PV,
not batteries - that will fundamentally alter their
regulated-monopoly-with-guaranteed-rate-of-return business
structure. New Mexico is no exception, as we have already seen on
multiple occasions.<br>
<br>
Simple reality: buying power at nighttime off peak rates to charge
batteries in order to sell power back at peak day rates is not
cost effective when the amortized cost of battery replacement due
to heavy cycling is factored in. So independent of the legality of
SCE's position, it simply doesn't make financial sense.<br>
Allan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan <span class="SpellE">Sindelar</span></b><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a
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style="color:#000099">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></u></a></span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">NABCEP Certified PV
Installation Professional <br>
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Founder and Chief Technology Officer<br>
<b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b>, a Certified B <span
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On 8/8/2013 3:02 PM, Phil Undercuffler wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Wrenches,<br>
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<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Unfortunately,
this is affecting all battery-based systems -- it's not
limited to OutBack. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">SCE
recently issued an External Memorandum stating their position.
I've read the memorandum, but I've also read SCE's Rule 21
and their NEM tariff, and the utility's position is not
supported by their own rules. These systems fully meet the
requirements of the SCE Rule 21 and NEM Tariff. The new RPS
Guidebook, which the SCE NEM Tariff uses to define permissible
systems, allows for two classes of energy storage --
Integrated, and Directly Connected. With Directly Connected
energy storage, the system can be charged by any number of
sources. The customer is allowed to have onsite loads.
Maintaining a battery is an onsite load. The only energy
exported is from the renewable source, the PV array. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">SCE's
position that the battery can never charge from the grid is
simply not supported by their own rules, However, their
current position has put a substantial barrier in place to
homeowners that desire grid-tie with battery backup, and to
businesses like your own that support this market. We need to
push back against this position, and help people move forward
with their renewable energy systems. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
would ask any of you affected by this issue to press the CPUC
to give SCE and the other utilities clear and specific
guidance on this issue as soon as possible. Explain how this
current impasse affects your business and your customers. <span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Telephone:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:866-849-8390"
value="+18668498390" target="_blank">866-849-8390</a> or
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:415-703-2074"
value="+14157032074" target="_blank">415-703-2074</a> </span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Email:
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov"
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
target="_blank">public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov</a>. Better yet,
file a complaint with the CPUC, either as an informal
complaint or as a formal complaint. Formal complaints carry
far more weight, but take more work. More info on the process
is available at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/PUC/aboutus/Divisions/CSID/Public+Advisor/"
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
target="_blank">http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/PUC/aboutus/Divisions/CSID/Public+Advisor/</a></div>
<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Best
regards,</div>
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<div><br>
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Philip Undercuffler<br>
Director, Product Management and Strategy<br>
OutBack Power Technologies<br>
17825 59th Ave NE, Suite B, Arlington, WA 98223<br>
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value="+13606184306" target="_blank">360.618.4306</a> office
| <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:425.319.2821"
value="+14253192821" target="_blank">425.319.2821</a> mobile<br>
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target="_blank">www.outbackpower.com</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:45 AM,
August Goers <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:august@luminalt.com" target="_blank">august@luminalt.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>
Hi Wrenches,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I bumped into this article about an Outback battery
backup system being rejected by a utility in
Southern CA:</p>
<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/08/solar-battery-backup-under-attack-in-california?cmpid=SolarNL-2013-08-08"
target="_blank">http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/08/solar-battery-backup-under-attack-in-california?cmpid=SolarNL-2013-08-08</a></p>
<p>It sounds like the utility is rejecting the system
because the batteries have the capability of feeding
back to the grid. I'm not familiar enough with the
Outback system to know how this would work. We are
installing a pretty good amount of Sunny Island
based battery backups these days but they don't have
the capability of sending battery power to the grid.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>-August</p>
<p> </p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:'Century
Gothic',sans-serif">August Goers</span></b></p>
<p><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:'Century
Gothic',sans-serif">Luminalt Energy Corporation</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:'Century
Gothic',sans-serif">o: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:415.641.4000" value="+14156414000"
target="_blank">415.641.4000</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:'Century
Gothic',sans-serif">m: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:415.559.1525" value="+14155591525"
target="_blank">415.559.1525</a></span></p>
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