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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jay,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Stop absorb was enabled but that wasn't the
problem. His batteries were shot.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Eric, sorry I couldn't call. My cell phone died.
But we figured out the problem. Seems like his system is working fine except
for his 48v bank of expensive paper weights.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Because he's still getting some Ah out of his
industrial bank I put him on a daily EQ regime to see if we can breathe some
life back into his batteries. I figured it's worth a shot and he'll learn more
about battery maintenance along the way.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks guys!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Eric Stikes<BR>SunHarvest</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>001.530.798.3738 (Cell)<BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 07, 2013 3:24
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] SW AGS</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT size=2 face=sans-serif>Hi Chris,</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2 face=sans-serif>"Stop absorb" ramps up to the BULK voltage, which
replaces approx 80% of capacity. Running the gen thru the </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2 face=sans-serif>absorption stage will allow for a full charge, but is a
waste of fuel (most of abs is at reduced rate), and users want to
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=sans-serif>charge the rest of the way with RE.
The SW uses "Absorption Time" for stop parameter, but if set to "0" would
accomplish</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2 face=sans-serif> the same as stop
absorb.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2 face=sans-serif>Eric<BR></FONT><FONT
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<TD><FONT color=#5f5f5f size=1 face=sans-serif>Date:</FONT>
<TD><FONT size=1 face=sans-serif>08/07/2013 03:17 PM</FONT>
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<TD><FONT size=1 face=sans-serif>Re: [RE-wrenches] SW AGS</FONT>
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<BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#004080 size=2 face=Calibri>Now there is a useful
setting, just being a little sarcastic, this would be hard to diagnose. Was
that available on the SW’s AGS menu too?</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#004080 size=2
face=Calibri> </FONT> <BR><FONT color=#004080 size=2 face=Calibri>Chris
Worcester</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#004080 size=2 face=Calibri>Solar Wind
Works</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#004080 size=2 face=Calibri>NABCEP Certified PV
Installer</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#004080 size=2 face=Calibri>Office
530-582-4503</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#004080 size=2 face=Calibri>Cell
530-448-9692</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#004080 size=2 face=Calibri>Fax
530-582-4603</FONT> <BR><A href="www.solarwindworks.com"><FONT color=#004080
size=2 face=Calibri>www.solarwindworks.com</FONT></A> <BR><FONT color=#004080
size=2 face=Calibri>chris@solarwindworks.com</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#004080
size=2 face=Calibri> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [</FONT><A
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>jay peltz<B><BR>Sent:</B> Wednesday,
August 07, 2013 2:30 PM<B><BR>To:</B> RE-wrenches<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re:
[RE-wrenches] SW AGS</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">HI Eric,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">Sounds like the "stop absorb" might have been
enabled.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">This will stop the AGS
when the battery volts reach absorb setpoint.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">But has no impact if starting the generator
manually.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">jay</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">peltz power</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"><BR></FONT><BR><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sounds like you
talked to the right guy, that's his info...except that he has, according to
what he told me, an SW not an XW. I'm assuming he's maybe at 50% capacity on
his original 1260Ah bank based on everything he told me this morning. He did
say that his bank will last him through the night and that he has some pretty
hefty air conditioning loads. He also said he had equalized in the past but
not in the last 18 months. I'm just not convinced that his batteries are shot.
But all this battery talk may be beside the point if he's not experiencing the
same on/off cycling problem when he manually starts the genny, right? That is,
assuming the disco settings remain in effect regardless of start mechanism.
Thanks for indulging me tocayo.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=4
face=sans-serif> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Eric</FONT>
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Eric,</FONT><FONT size=4 face=sans-serif> </FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial><BR>Sounded like bad batteries to me also (I think he called in
this AM). He has (2) XW6048 units that are <BR>capable of 200ADC between them,
and he also has 1260Ah of flooded capacity. DC Start V is set for 46.5V, so if
we assume he was close to 50% <BR>discharge (depending on load), it should
take almost 2 hours to reach the bulk voltage (80% replaced). His batteries
were ramping up to bulk <BR>in just a couple of minutes, meaning the batteries
were not absorbing the charge. I have heard varying opinions on the symptoms
of sulfation, <BR>but it does sound like a battery issue (5 yrs old). He was
advised to equalize to try and recover them (he has never done this), or
replace them.</FONT><FONT size=4 face=sans-serif> </FONT><FONT size=2
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<TD><FONT size=1 face=Arial>08/07/2013 12:39 PM</FONT>
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<TD><FONT size=1 face=Arial>[RE-wrenches] SW AGS</FONT>
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face=Arial><BR>I read through the archives on the XW AGS thread but have a
query on behalf of a customer with an SW AGS issue. I'm heading out to the
remote site tomorrow and would like, if possible, to show up knowing what I
might be up against.</FONT><FONT size=4 face=sans-serif> </FONT><FONT size=3
face=sans-serif><BR></FONT><FONT size=4 face=sans-serif> </FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><BR>The customer recently replaced his AGS for his two SW
6048s and then upgraded his firmware a week later. He reported that his
problem with the AGS began after firmware upgrade. Here's the particular
issue:</FONT><FONT size=4 face=sans-serif> </FONT><FONT size=3
face=sans-serif><BR></FONT><FONT size=4 face=sans-serif> </FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><BR>AGS will try to start the 15.8kW Multi-Quip genny due to
low battery voltage (event 306 DCV start). After about 5 minutes the AGS will
stop the genny due to battery absorption level reached (event 313 ABS stop).
The AGS will go through this event 306/313 cycle on and off until the
homeowner shuts down the AGS. To me this sounds like bad batteries. But, the
homeowner says this cycling does not occur when he manually starts the
generator. This doesn't sound like a complicated problem but so far I'm
unfamiliar with the SW AGS. So, I would greatly appreciate any insight you
guys can offer me.</FONT><FONT size=4 face=sans-serif> </FONT><FONT size=3
face=sans-serif><BR></FONT><FONT size=4 face=sans-serif> </FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><BR>Thanks!!</FONT><FONT size=4 face=sans-serif>
</FONT><FONT size=3 face=sans-serif><BR></FONT><FONT size=4
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