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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Re: FNDC vs. Pentametric, well now that you pose the question, it probably really boils down to personal preference and experience. I have installed a big pile of Pentametrics and it has been easy and they have worked really well, and my few experiences with the FNDC have been messy, although not through any fault of the equipment or OutBack. The FNDC just didn’t work the way I thought it should, and it serves me right for not reading the manual more closely BEFORE I installed the thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have always liked the ‘fuel gauge’ effect of the Pentametric display unit, which we typically put out where the customer will walk by it often. I guess some people put the MATE3 remote from the inverter room, but I would personally probably not ever recommend this. Also, I suppose the LAN/www connection options could serve this purpose well, but I don’t have as much experience with it yet. I don’t know, the online connections and monitoring are fun and novel for a bit, but I imagine people lose interest pretty quickly. I think having a box on the wall that gives you a snapshot into your battery bank’s life every time you walk by has a lot of value.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Plus IMHO Bogart is just an awesome company. Not necessarily the most compelling reasons in the big picture…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Would be very much interested in info on some of your custom bypass solutions!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Nathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nathan J. Stumpff<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional #091209-175<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>NABCEP Certified Solar Heating Installer #032412-14<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Project Manager | Arctic Sun, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:nathan@arcticsun-llc.com"><span style='color:blue'>nathan@arcticsun-llc.com </span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> | (907) 457-1297</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.reina-llc.com/"><span style='color:blue'>www.reina-llc.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> | </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.arcticsun-llc.com/">www.arcticsun-llc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.facebook.com/ArcticSunLLC"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=30 height=30 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CE91E6.49581CE0" alt="Description: ZA102637861"></span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Miller<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 05, 2013 2:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Radian install<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Nathan:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks to you and all the others for the speedy replies. We installed one single Radian and I will never again buy a pre-wired GSLC. The wiring was sloppy and it is unrealistic to try and cram the AC and DC switching into one or two of these cabinets. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>More and more frequently we forego using the standard BOS AC Cabinets for AC distribution and instead go directly into standard outboard AC cabinets. This is true for FX, SW, MX and Radian installations. Here's how we used to do this with SW inverters: <a href="http://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/Portfolio/Inverters/battery_iinverters/full_size_photos/3_input_sw.JPG"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>http://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/Portfolio/Inverters/battery_iinverters/full_size_photos/3_input_sw.JPG</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We have been designing and building our own bypass interlock brackets. With some aluminum stock, a band saw and a little ingenuity we have been able to build any interlock we need. For this installation we will back-feed the generator into an extra breaker in the inverter-fed panel We will interlock it with the two inverter fed breakers and have a very reliable and inexpensive bypass. I am fixing to do an article on my web site featuring the various interlock solutions we have built.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>(This is off the subject, but one can use a single phase panel to handle the output distribution for a 120 only inverter system as well as provide a bypass. One bus is inverter fed and the other is gen fed. Properly configured breakers with an interlock provide the bypass capabilities.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I am curious about why you would recommend the Petametric. It handles only three shunts just like the FNDC. I understand you can install an unlimited number of charge controllers to the FNDC (and maybe the Pentametric as well) as long as you shunt the combined negatives with any shunt having the correct amps/mv ratio. The FNDC integrates with the Mate 3 which seems desirable to me over the Pentametric. Comments?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Again, thanks to everyone.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>William</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=145 height=43 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image003.jpg@01CE91EC.F5C79450"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>17395 Oak Rd. Atascadero, CA 93422</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/">www.millersolar.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>805-438-5600 voice*</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>*Note: above number replaces cell number</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathan Stumpff<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 05, 2013 2:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Radian install</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have installed one dual Radian system. We looked at the prewired distribution boxes from OutBack (MidNite’s wasn’t out yet at that time) but they had no bypass solution for two inverters. We ended up using an external 100 A, 2 pole, double throw safety switch for an AC bypass from the generator feed, a little spendy but the only thing we could come up with. The newer MidNite E-Panel Master & Slave setup deals with the bypass, I haven’t gone through to price it out to see if it makes sense yet, but I bet it does, especially since you can use dinrail breakers instead of all panel mount, as is the case with OutBack.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not sure if you like or are planning on using the FlexNet DC, but on our install we had two inverters and two charge controllers, so the otherwise convenient triple-shunt-busbar option (OutBack) didn’t really do much for us. Kinda dumb you can’t use two FlexNet DCs… When I do it again I would probably steer the customer towards a Pentametric.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ditto to the comments on the firmware upgrade and spacing the inverters. Next time I will definitely use a few nipples between the distribution boxes, the doors are way too tight when spaced right next to each other.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Nathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>