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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jeremy,<br>
      Outback may be right on, and it's worth checking.<br>
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      Most portable gennies internally bond neutral to chassis, because
      they expect that no typical homeowner will ground the chassis.
      (Inverter-generators are a noteworthy exception to this.) Most
      inverter systems also have a neutral-ground bond, if done to Code.
      Whe plugged into the gennie, there's thus an inherent ground loop.
      Try disconnecting the grounding conductor on the extension cord.<br>
      Allan<br>
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        <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><b>Allan Sindelar</b></font><br>
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      On 6/7/2013 9:10 AM, All Solar, Inc. wrote:<br>
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      <div>I found out that the appliance will work fine from an
        extension cord with a portable generator.</div>
      <div>The appliance will not even work however when the backup gen
        is running and transfering through the inverters.</div>
      <div>Outback T.S. suggested to check the Neutral to ground bond so
        that is the next step. Also tried to set the Power Save levels
        the same (stacked pair)</div>
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      <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Jeremy</font></div>
      <div><font face="Arial" size="2">All Solar</font></div>
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          black"><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            title="exeltech@yahoo.com" href="mailto:exeltech@yahoo.com">Exeltech</a>
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        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
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        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 17,
          2013 1:51 PM</div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
          Outback wave form</div>
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              <td valign="top">Wrenches,<br>
                <br>
                While the addition of a capacitor may resolve issues
                associated with various<br>
                inverter/appliance/motor combinations, please make sure
                the capacitor(s) get<br>
                switched OUT of the circuit (disconnected) when the load
                itself is disconnected.<br>
                <br>
                Failure to do so could under some circumstances cause
                the inverter control-loop<br>
                circuitry to go unstable, leading to unpredictable
                inverter operation, and possible<br>
                damage/failure in the power system.  Disconnecting the
                capacitor with the load<br>
                alleviate this possibility.<br>
                <br>
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                Regards to all...<br>
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                <br>
                Dan Lepinski<br>
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                --- On <b>Wed, 4/17/13, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar
                  Power Systems <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:larry@starlightsolar.com"><larry@starlightsolar.com></a></i></b>
                wrote:<br>
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                  From: Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:larry@starlightsolar.com"><larry@starlightsolar.com></a><br>
                  Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback wave form<br>
                  To: "RE-wrenches"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a><br>
                  Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 2:09 PM<br>
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                  <div class="plainMail">We experience issues like this
                    from time to time. PF seems to be the culprit. Have
                    you measured it or looked at the waveform yet?  How
                    an inverter deals with PF seems to vary broadly. For
                    example, the Splendide XC2100 washer/dryer will not
                    work on a Magnum Energy and a few other sine wave
                    inverters. However,  it will run on a low cost
                    GoPower or Samlex sine wave inverter. Below is a
                    scope trace of voltage/current of the Magnum
                    inverter & Splendide washer. Upper trace is
                    voltage<br>
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                    By adding a 50uF run capacitor inline, it somewhat
                    tames the current phase and the sine wave so the
                    Magnum can operate the washer. <br>
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                    (Special thanks to Al for the discovery and photos)<br>
                    <br>
                    Larry Crutcher<br>
                    Starlight Solar Power Systems<br>
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                    On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:46 AM, All Solar <<a
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                    wrote:<br>
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                    Have a client with a new coffee maker that will not
                    run from their new dual outback setup. Has anyone
                    heard of this lately. We have had no problems with
                    appliances and sine wave inverters. What to look
                    for?<br>
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                    Sent from Jeremy's IPhone.  Sorry for typos and
                    shorthand!<br>
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