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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">First Solar was not performing to
warranty within the first 2 years. They supplied more modules,
but not the additional land, racking, labor, wiring, etc to make
up for the low performance.<br>
I've watched thin film companies come and go for 2 decades. As I
said before, I think they have they're place for specialty
situations, ie, shading, but overall I've had nothing but
disappointments with anything but monocrystalline, and even then
I've seen trouble (BP as you noted) I've seen quite a bit of
under performance from polycrystalline too.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760
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On 6/2/2013 4:27 PM, Carl Emerson wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4" color="blue"><span
style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">The short answer is
no…</span></font><font face="Arial" size="4"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4" color="blue"><span
style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">These are not real
world tests of energy yield
under ‘normal’ outdoor conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4" color="blue"><span
style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Photon are setting up
field tests for 2013
in Germany and the middle East.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4" color="blue"><span
style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Then they will have
some useful data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4" color="blue"><span
style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Carl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Would like to
see real data. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Photon
publishes their module data, and thin film are
no where near the top of the list. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Nexpower. #14<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">First solar.
#131<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Total of 151
modules in the test. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jun 1, 2013, at 6:20 PM, "Carl Emerson" <<a
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color="blue"><span style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Hi there,<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Thin film is
still getting bad press after
early production suffered degradation issues way back
in the 90’s.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">There is plenty
of evidence that thin film
produces at least 10% more energy because it performs
better at temperature and
responds better to global irradiance.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Some brands may
be problematic today but
this is equally true of crystalline modules.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Sure the
efficiency is down and more area
is needed for the same rated power but some brands are
delivering 20% more
energy in some climates.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">As for
degradation, I have seen
crystalline BP’s with every panel turning brown and
clapping out after
just 12 years in the pacific Islands.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">So let’s be Brand
specific and not
lump all thin film together and tar it with the same
brush, based on early
failures 30 years ago. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Current issues
backed up with hard data
would be very useful…<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="4"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Regards<br>
Carl Emerson<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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