<html><head><base href="x-msg://225/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Carl,<div><br></div><div>Here is the link to how Photon measures each module.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.photon.info/photon_lab_modul_ertragsm_en.photon?ActiveID=1289">http://www.photon.info/photon_lab_modul_ertragsm_en.photon?ActiveID=1289</a></div><div><br></div><div>and</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.photon.info/photon_lab_modul_ertragsmAD_en.photon?ActiveID=4382">http://www.photon.info/photon_lab_modul_ertragsmAD_en.photon?ActiveID=4382</a></div><div><br></div><div>Can you please tell me how they are doing it wrong, and what the test would look like in doing it right?</div><div><br></div><div>Many thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div>peltz power</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 2, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Carl Emerson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">Jay,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">The short answer is no…</span></font><font size="4" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">These are not real world tests of energy yield under ‘normal’ outdoor conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">Photon are setting up field tests for 2013 in Germany and the middle East.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">Then they will have some useful data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">Carl E.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Hi Carl<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Would like to see real data. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Photon publishes their module data, and thin film are no where near the top of the list. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Nexpower. #14<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">First solar. #131<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Total of 151 modules in the test. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Jay<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Peltz power<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br>On Jun 1, 2013, at 6:20 PM, "Carl Emerson" <<a href="mailto:Carl@solarking.net.nz" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Carl@solarking.net.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">Hi there,<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">Thin film is still getting bad press after early production suffered degradation issues way back in the 90’s.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">There is plenty of evidence that thin film produces at least 10% more energy because it performs better at temperature and responds better to global irradiance.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">Some brands may be problematic today but this is equally true of crystalline modules.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">Sure the efficiency is down and more area is needed for the same rated power but some brands are delivering 20% more energy in some climates.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">As for degradation, I have seen crystalline BP’s with every panel turning brown and clapping out after just 12 years in the pacific Islands.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">So let’s be Brand specific and not lump all thin film together and tar it with the same brush, based on early failures 30 years ago.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; ">Current issues backed up with hard data would be very useful…<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="4" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue; "><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; ">Regards<br>Carl Emerson<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; 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