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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Are we saying that all black cable ties
are problematic, including those claiming to be UV resistant for example in the
following link…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a
href="http://www.cabletiesandmore.com/uv-resistant-cable-ties.php">http://www.cabletiesandmore.com/uv-resistant-cable-ties.php</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards<br>
Carl Emerson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ray Walters<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 26 April 2013 7:23 a.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Stainless Steel Cable Ties</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-US
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Terrible. I've got a file of pics like that, and the
wires can grab hold of something while the tracker rotates, and rip a j box
right off the back of the module. <br>
Around here, the white zip ties don't even last long enough just sitting in the
truck to install without breaking. <br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Licensed Master Electrician<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Solar Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>303 505-8760<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 4/25/2013 11:19 AM, August Goers wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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cite="mid:ac79c26849102bd45ad10f00f0587d83@mail.gmail.com" type=cite>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Ray,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Your points all seem
good. And I echo the other comments that white non-UV zip ties should never be
used. I bumped into a tracker installation a few weeks ago out in the Fresno
area with very poor wire management! See attached pic - I have no idea who
installed the system or when. It looks like the wire management was never any
good in the first place although if you zoom in you'll see traces of a few
white zip ties here and there that seem to be falling apart. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>We've managed to get
our rooftop installations to be completely managed with stainless s-clips and
then maybe just a couple black plastic zip ties in critical locations. So far
so good. A lot of it just goes back to good craftsmanship and running the PV
wire in strategic locations so it's mostly supported by channel or rail. A
tracking system is a completely different story where the wires will be moving
as the system tracks. Plastic zip ties clearly don't seem like a good idea for
tracking applications.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Best,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>August</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
moz-do-not-send=true>re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" moz-do-not-send=true>re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ray Walters<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:30
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Solar Energy Solutions;
RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Stainless Steel Cable Ties</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Black UV resistant ties
only last a few years at altitude in New Mexico and Colorado. UV is
brutal, and causes PVC conduit to discolor within 2 years. The zips will
actually hold for 10+ years, but aren't really strong. I've come back on
my own work, and just yanked on them, and popped them right off.<br>
They just get very brittle. If on a tracker that is constantly pulling on them,
they'll be trash on the ground after less than 5 years. I use wire loom
clamps with rubber insulators in those cases, and then the zip ties just hold
the bundle of wires together, but aren't actually securing the wire to the
structure.<br>
I looked into this recently for a large PV installation company and I found
that Nylon 6.6 is probably the best, but the specified design life of the zip
when exposed to UV was 6 to 10 years. We found a nylon zip rated to over
15 years, but it was special order and cost something like $2/ ea (cough,
cough)<br>
I like the idea of SS ties, but they are not the same as the SS clips as
mentioned. The clips have curved edges that won't cut into the
cables. USE wire actually is pretty easy to cut into, and I've seen a few
shorts due to metal cutting into it. ( module edges, romex type connectors,
etc) I would wrap the wire with a thick electrical tape before zip tieing
with SS ties. There is a heavy mil pipe wrap tape (UV and underground rated)
that plumbers use on gas lines. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Licensed Master Electrician<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Solar Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>303 505-8760<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 4/25/2013 9:48 AM, Solar Energy Solutions wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>We have used black
cable ties since 1987 to strap sensor wire to PVC pipe for our solar pool
heating systems. I was just at a system we installed in 1989 mounted on
an East facing roof yesterday. The exposed 20g sensor wire still had
intact and plyable sheilding and the black cable ties still firmly attached and
not brittle. We have other similiar scenes with systems mounted on South
facing roof were the black cable ties are still in tact under full solar
exposure... for Portland Oregon. Yanking on some of these cable ties
sometimes break the ancient tie. But, more often than not, as yesterday,
we have to break out our wire cutters to accomplish this task.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thus, I gotta think
that black cable ties under a PV array which are not exposed to any of the heat
or sun we usually subject them to... are going to last an even longer
time. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Chris Mason
<a href="mailto:cometenergysystems@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send=true><cometenergysystems@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches <a
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 25, 2013
8:12 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Stainless Steel Cable Ties</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Make sure you use black
cable ties, the white ones fail in UV from sunlight.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><font size=3
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Thu, Apr
25, 2013 at 11:06 AM, August Goers <<a href="mailto:august@luminalt.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>august@luminalt.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I too share
the concern about standard plastic zip ties. However, I started in the industry
in 1997 and have yet to see zip ties that are falling apart. Does anyone on the
list have firsthand experience with failed plastic zip ties?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Best,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>August</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>August
Goers</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 25, 2013
7:08 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=4 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We have
used 8” flat SS ties for years and I have no concern about the wear
on the conductor insulation. They are long enough to circle a standard Unirac
rail and several wires leaving 1” or so tag end. Needle nose pliers work
to twist the end and snug down the tie as tight as you’re comfortable
with. The metal tie, once bent around the corners cannot stretch any tighter,
unlike nylon, regardless of how tightly you twist the pliers. As for the edges,
quality ties are not sharp. Or cheap.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>There was a recent thread
about wire management. Heyco SunBundler ties have a vinyl coating. I
recommended the clips from PV Racking that are stainless steel coated in
rubber. I've had the same concern, and both of these seem like good solutions
to me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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1:20 AM, Benn Kilburn - DayStar Renewable Energy <<a
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>I searched the archives,
but came up with nothing on this….</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>I have found a good
supplier for reasonably priced stainless steel cable ties and have been using
them in place of black nylon cable ties for supporting cables, PV wires and
micro-inverter wires to the mounting rails and such. I feel better
knowing the wires under the array are supported this way rather than with
plastic/nylon cable ties, for which I tried but cannot get a manufacturer to
guarantee will last 20+yrs.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>A colleague is
questioning this method (SS ties) with the concern that over time the (albeit
small) movement in the wires and/or expansion/contraction of the rails could
result in the stainless steel cable ties cutting thru the wire's insulation and
then…..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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before from others as well.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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the very popular stainless steel "S" cable clips that hold wires to
module frames have comparable equal sharp edges as well and would pose the same
risk, but there doesn't seem to be any concern there.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>I am wondering who else
is using SS ties in place of nylon ones, and if you are taking additional steps
to protect the wire's insulation from the SS ties?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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meaning don't wrap a wire around the SS ties so that the wire has tension on the
sharp edge of the tie. Flat edge contact with the wire only, the same way
that you wouldn't run a wire across/around a sharp cut edge of a rail or
anything else.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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