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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">On Friday, April 26, 2013 12:30pm, "Bill Turberville" <billturb@ece-llc.com> said:<br /><br /></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Initially he wanted his PV to operate while the sun is shining and the grid is down...and his batteries to supply power when the sun <em><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">and</span></em> grid is down. But now he wants his back-up system to do it all. We've touched on all the obvious points: </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12.0pt; margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">On Friday, April 26, 2013 10:33am, "Bill Turberville" <<a href="mailto:billturb@ece-llc.com">billturb@ece-llc.com</a>> said:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Not very often, and usually for no more than an hour or two, although it has been down as long as 5 days, either during tornado season, or ice taking down power lines. What these people are looking for is Just In Case a big event happens. They do not want to have all those panels just sitting there.</span></p>
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