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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I get mine locally from Allied Electronics.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Mason<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Stainless Steel Cable Ties<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Where do you get them and who makes them?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Solarguy <<a href="mailto:ntrei@1scom.net" target="_blank">ntrei@1scom.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We have used 8” flat SS ties for years and I have no concern about the wear on the conductor insulation. They are long enough to circle a standard Unirac rail and several wires leaving 1” or so tag end. Needle nose pliers work to twist the end and snug down the tie as tight as you’re comfortable with. The metal tie, once bent around the corners cannot stretch any tighter, unlike nylon, regardless of how tightly you twist the pliers. As for the edges, quality ties are not sharp. Or cheap.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>Jim Duncan</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>North Texas Renewable Energy Inc</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.ntrei.com/" target="_blank">www.ntrei.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>NABCEP PV 031310-57</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>TECL-27398</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:ntrei@1scom.net" target="_blank">ntrei@1scom.net</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="tel:817.917.0527" target="_blank">817.917.0527</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=216 height=160 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CE419D.9F11D520" alt="NABCEP Logo"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:26.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Szumlanski<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Stainless Steel Cable Ties</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>There was a recent thread about wire management. Heyco SunBundler ties have a vinyl coating. I recommended the clips from PV Racking that are stainless steel coated in rubber. I've had the same concern, and both of these seem like good solutions to me.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>Jason Szumlanski</span></strong><em><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span></em><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><em><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>Fafco Solar</span></em><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Benn Kilburn - DayStar Renewable Energy <<a href="mailto:benn@daystarsolar.ca" target="_blank">benn@daystarsolar.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Wrenches,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I searched the archives, but came up with nothing on this….</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I have found a good supplier for reasonably priced stainless steel cable ties and have been using them in place of black nylon cable ties for supporting cables, PV wires and micro-inverter wires to the mounting rails and such. I feel better knowing the wires under the array are supported this way rather than with plastic/nylon cable ties, for which I tried but cannot get a manufacturer to guarantee will last 20+yrs.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A colleague is questioning this method (SS ties) with the concern that over time the (albeit small) movement in the wires and/or expansion/contraction of the rails could result in the stainless steel cable ties cutting thru the wire's insulation and then…..</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I have heard this concern before from others as well.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The way I see it is that the very popular stainless steel "S" cable clips that hold wires to module frames have comparable equal sharp edges as well and would pose the same risk, but there doesn't seem to be any concern there.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I am wondering who else is using SS ties in place of nylon ones, and if you are taking additional steps to protect the wire's insulation from the SS ties?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Common sense abides, meaning don't wrap a wire around the SS ties so that the wire has tension on the sharp edge of the tie. Flat edge contact with the wire only, the same way that you wouldn't run a wire across/around a sharp cut edge of a rail or anything else.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>benn</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Chris Mason<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>President, Comet Systems Ltd<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.cometenergysystems.com" target="_blank">www.cometenergysystems.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cell: 264.235.5670<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Skype: netconcepts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>