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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Terrible. I've got a file of pics like
      that, and the wires can grab hold of something while the tracker
      rotates, and rip a j box right off the back of the module. <br>
      Around here, the white zip ties don't even last long enough just
      sitting in the truck to install without breaking.  <br>
      <br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
      On 4/25/2013 11:19 AM, August Goers wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ray,</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Your
            points all seem good. And I echo the other comments that
            white non-UV zip ties should never be used. I bumped into a
            tracker installation a few weeks ago out in the Fresno area
            with very poor wire management! See attached pic - I have no
            idea who installed the system or when. It looks like the
            wire management was never any good in the first place
            although if you zoom in you'll see traces of a few white zip
            ties here and there that seem to be falling apart. </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We've
            managed to get our rooftop installations to be completely
            managed with stainless s-clips and then maybe just a couple
            black plastic zip ties in critical locations. So far so
            good. A lot of it just goes back to good craftsmanship and
            running the PV wire in strategic locations so it's mostly
            supported by channel or rail. A tracking system is a
            completely different story where the wires will be moving as
            the system tracks. Plastic zip ties clearly don't seem like
            a good idea for tracking applications.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">August</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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              <b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
                [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ray Walters<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:30 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Solar Energy Solutions; RE-wrenches<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Stainless Steel Cable
                Ties</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">
            Black UV resistant ties only last a few years at altitude in
            New Mexico and Colorado.  UV is brutal, and causes PVC
            conduit to discolor within 2 years.  The zips will actually
            hold for 10+ years, but aren't really strong.  I've come
            back on my own work, and just yanked on them, and popped
            them right off.<br>
            They just get very brittle. If on a tracker that is
            constantly pulling on them, they'll be trash on the ground
            after less than 5 years.  I use wire loom clamps with rubber
            insulators in those cases, and then the zip ties just hold
            the bundle of wires together, but aren't actually securing
            the wire to the structure.<br>
            I looked into this recently for a large PV installation
            company and I found that Nylon 6.6 is probably the best, but
            the specified design life of the zip when exposed to UV was
            6 to 10 years.  We found a nylon zip rated to over 15 years,
            but it was special order and cost something like $2/ ea
            (cough, cough)<br>
            I like the idea of SS ties, but they are not the same as the
            SS clips as mentioned.   The clips have curved edges that
            won't cut into the cables.  USE wire actually is pretty easy
            to cut into, and I've seen a few shorts due to metal cutting
            into it. ( module edges, romex type connectors, etc)  I
            would wrap the wire with a thick electrical tape before zip
            tieing with SS ties. There is a heavy mil pipe wrap tape (UV
            and underground rated) that plumbers use on gas lines. <br>
            <br>
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          <pre>R.Ray Walters</pre>
          <pre>CTO, Solarray, Inc</pre>
          <pre>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, </pre>
          <pre>Licensed Master Electrician</pre>
          <pre>Solar Design Engineer</pre>
          <pre>303 505-8760</pre>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 4/25/2013 9:48 AM, Solar Energy
            Solutions wrote:</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We
                  have used black cable ties since 1987 to strap sensor
                  wire to PVC pipe for our solar pool heating systems. 
                  I was just at a system we installed in 1989 mounted on
                  an East facing roof yesterday.  The exposed 20g sensor
                  wire still had intact and plyable sheilding and the
                  black cable ties still firmly attached and not
                  brittle.  We have other similiar scenes with systems
                  mounted on South facing roof were the black cable ties
                  are still in tact under full solar exposure... for
                  Portland Oregon.  Yanking on some of these cable ties
                  sometimes break the ancient tie.  But, more often than
                  not, as yesterday, we have to break out our wire
                  cutters to accomplish this task.</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thus,
                  I gotta think that black cable ties under a PV array
                  which are not exposed to any of the heat or sun we
                  usually subject them to... are going to last an even
                  longer time.  </span></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span
                    style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Andrew
                    Koyaanisqatsi</span></b><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">President</span></p>
            </div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span
                    style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Solar
                    Energy Solutions, Inc.</span></b><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Since
                  1987,</span></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Moving
                  Portland and Beyond </span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">to
                  an Environmentally Sustainable Future.</span></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">
                <b><span
                    style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">503-238-4502</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
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                <b><span
                    style="font-family:"System","sans-serif""><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.solarenergyoregon.com/"
                      target="_blank">http://www.solarenergyoregon.com/</a>
                  </span></b><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span
                    style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">"Better
                    one's House too little one day</span></b><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span
                    style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">than
                    too big all the Year after."</span></b><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                      Chris Mason <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:cometenergysystems@gmail.com"><cometenergysystems@gmail.com></a><br>
                      <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a>
                      <br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:12 AM<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Stainless Steel
                      Cable Ties</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Make
                        sure you use black cable ties, the white ones
                        fail in UV from sunlight.</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">On
                          Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM, August Goers
                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:august@luminalt.com"
                            target="_blank">august@luminalt.com</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
                          <br>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">I
                                  too share the concern about standard
                                  plastic zip ties. However, I started
                                  in the industry in 1997 and have yet
                                  to see zip ties that are falling
                                  apart. Does anyone on the list have
                                  firsthand experience with failed
                                  plastic zip ties?</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">August</span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">August
                                  Goers</span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Luminalt
                                  Energy Corporation</span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">1320
                                  Potrero Avenue</span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">San
                                  Francisco, CA 94110</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">m:
                                  <span class="MsoHyperlink">415.559.1525</span></span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">o:
                                  <span class="MsoHyperlink">415.641.4000</span></span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:august@luminalt.com"
                                    target="_blank">august@luminalt.com</a></span></p>
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                                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25,
                                      2013 7:08 AM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
                                      Stainless Steel Cable Ties</p>
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                                      style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">We
                                      have used 8” flat  SS ties for
                                      years and I have no concern about
                                      the wear on the conductor
                                      insulation. They are long enough
                                      to circle a standard Unirac rail
                                      and several wires leaving 1” or so
                                      tag end. Needle nose pliers work
                                      to twist the end and snug down the
                                      tie as tight as you’re comfortable
                                      with. The metal tie, once bent
                                      around the corners cannot stretch
                                      any tighter, unlike nylon,
                                      regardless of how tightly you
                                      twist the pliers. As for the
                                      edges, quality ties are not sharp.
                                      Or cheap.</span></p>
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                                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason
                                      Szumlanski<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25,
                                      2013 8:08 AM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches</span><span
                                      style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
                                      Stainless Steel Cable Ties</span></p>
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                                        style="background:white">There
                                        was a recent thread about wire
                                        management. Heyco SunBundler
                                        ties have a vinyl coating. I
                                        recommended the clips from PV
                                        Racking that are stainless steel
                                        coated in rubber. I've had the
                                        same concern, and both of these
                                        seem like good solutions to me.</p>
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                                            style="background:white"><b><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;color:gray"> </span></i></p>
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                                        style="background:white">On Thu,
                                        Apr 25, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Benn
                                        Kilburn - DayStar Renewable
                                        Energy <<a
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                                          target="_blank">benn@daystarsolar.ca</a>>
                                        wrote:</p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white"><span
                                              style="font-size:10.5pt">I
                                              searched the archives, but
                                              came up with nothing on
                                              this….</span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white"><span
                                              style="font-size:10.5pt">I
                                              have found a good supplier
                                              for reasonably priced
                                              stainless steel cable ties
                                              and have been using them
                                              in place of black nylon
                                              cable ties for supporting
                                              cables, PV wires and
                                              micro-inverter wires to
                                              the mounting rails and
                                              such.  I feel better
                                              knowing the wires under
                                              the array are supported
                                              this way rather than with
                                              plastic/nylon cable ties,
                                              for which I tried but
                                              cannot get a manufacturer
                                              to guarantee will last
                                              20+yrs.</span></p>
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                                            style="background:white"><span
                                              style="font-size:10.5pt">A
                                              colleague is questioning
                                              this method (SS ties) with
                                              the concern that over time
                                              the (albeit small)
                                              movement in the wires
                                              and/or
                                              expansion/contraction of
                                              the rails could result in
                                              the stainless steel cable
                                              ties cutting thru the
                                              wire's insulation and
                                              then…..</span></p>
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                                            style="background:white"><span
                                              style="font-size:10.5pt">I
                                              have heard this concern
                                              before from others as
                                              well.</span></p>
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                                            style="background:white"><span
                                              style="font-size:10.5pt">The
                                              way I see it is that the
                                              very popular stainless
                                              steel "S" cable clips that
                                              hold wires to module
                                              frames have comparable
                                              equal sharp edges as well
                                              and would pose the same
                                              risk, but there doesn't
                                              seem to be any concern
                                              there.</span></p>
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                                              style="background:white"><span
                                                style="font-size:10.5pt">I
                                                am wondering who else is
                                                using SS ties in place
                                                of nylon ones, and if
                                                you are taking
                                                additional steps to
                                                protect the wire's
                                                insulation from the SS
                                                ties?</span></p>
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                                            style="background:white"><span
                                              style="font-size:10.5pt">Common
                                              sense abides, meaning
                                              don't wrap a wire around
                                              the SS ties so that the
                                              wire has tension on the
                                              sharp edge of the tie.
                                               Flat edge contact with
                                              the wire only, the same
                                              way that you wouldn't run
                                              a wire across/around a
                                              sharp cut edge of a rail
                                              or anything else.</span></p>
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