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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I've never seen battery connections
come loose with thermal activity, as long as they had a regular
split lock washer on. I've gone back on our own work that is over
13 years old, and all is still tight. As Allan noted, I have seen
plenty of failures due to untightened, and improperly crimped
connections. Belleville washers would be nice, as long as they're
not prohibitively expensive. We used them on certain connections
in Utility scale work.<br>
I still use Vaseline with great results (ala my mentor Windy
Dankoff) but I recently started using Deka battery terminal
protection in a spray on can for higher temp applications where
the Vaseline might melt and run off.<br>
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On 4/1/2013 3:00 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">John,<br>
I respect your experience and your advice, and have a few
questions related to this post.<br>
<br>
I have seen problems in the past with failed and high-resistance
battery terminal connections. Usually it's the result of
corrosion buildup on unprotected terminals installed by a
homeowner or a lowball installer, but I can recall at least one
instance in which one of our installers didn't tighten a
terminal sufficiently, or else the connection loosened as you
described below, and it melted the terminal and caused a system
failure - which we covered under our installation warranty. But
I have never seen advice as specific as yours on actual terminal
connection materials and procedure.<br>
<br>
What corrosion inhibiting grease do you recommend? I have seen
Vaseline used for decades, and don't think I have ever seen a
failure. We have used QuickCote for years, with the
brush-in-can, but it's tedious. <br>
<br>
I found two versions of SS Belleville washer at fastenal.com:<br>
5/16" curved spring washer at
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5/16" Belleville washer at
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The former has radial serrations, but I think the latter is what
you're recommending - yes?<br>
<br>
You write "locknut" below - are you recommending a standard
5/16" SS nut, or a specific type of locknut like a Nylock?<br>
<br>
Thanks for going into a bit more detail for us. I'd like a bit
more peace of mind. I actually a bit about 14 year old banks
losing one string and overloading another...<br>
Allan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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couple of things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Only
use stainless steel hardware for all battery
connections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Wire
brush connection surfaces prior to mating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Use
corrosion inhibiting grease on all fittings after making
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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It is a good idea to use stainless Belleville washers
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head, washer, Battery terminal, washer, Belleville
washer, locknut.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
spring washer maintains clamping force as the connection
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric:<br>
<br>
The generator-based charging may impose higher currents
into the batteries than either PV charging or inverter
consumption, triggering the problem. <br>
<br>
Melted battery terminals are not uncommon. You must have
washers under your bolt heads with lead flanges.
Otherwise the bolt heads sink into the lead, loosening
connections. All mating surfaces need to be newly wired
brushed just before assembly. Battery connections need to
be re-torqued annually.<br>
<br>
William Miller<br>
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At 09:40 AM 3/25/2013, you wrote:<br>
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<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks
for your reply. For some reason the schematic I received
from the tech at Atkinson did not show any wires being
connected to pins 9 & 10 and as I'm a literalist I
did not make those connections. After I received your
(and other) feedback I connected gen power to those pins
and the AGS seemed to function fine. Within 2 days the
customer called me back saying his genny was shutting
off after 20 mins of runtime. I told him to disconnect
or reprogram one system component at a time to find the
fault source. Before a fault source was determined, he
observed that two batteries in his bank were
experiencing the "battery terminals melting into the
battery casing" (as was texted to me by the customer). I
have no idea how a GSCM interface would cause or allow
an overcurrent fault at the batteries but the timing of
the installation seems to indicate that the AGS is at
fault. Ever heard of this before?<br>
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for design assistance, he is very helpful.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">A few
questions. <br>
<br>
I have a customer who really wants a solar-direct pool
pump for his home. Medium size in-ground pool and I'd
like the pump to be strong enough to lift to the solar
pool panels (12 ft lift above pool level). I'd like to
offer him hardware that is at least one notch above
experimental beta-test. I remember the SunCentric from
several years ago, but not sure how durable that turned
out, and I was having trouble a vendor for it now. Any
suggestions for today with some favorable track record?
Or suggestions on what to avoid? <br>
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