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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Andrew,<br>
      All I am reporting is what I have observed. To claim anything more
      would require a better crystal ball than I have. <br>
      <br>
      Re O&M, I recently completed a curriculum development project
      (with some help and source material from Bill Brooks) for a
      16-hour O&M course for a local community college's Workforce
      Training Center program, as part of a federal grant to the school.
      As I understand it, that will be in the public domain and
      available to other schools. But it has nothing to do with
      developing standardized O&M protocols beyond identifying a set
      of best practices.<br>
      <br>
      Allan<br>
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        <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><b>Allan Sindelar</b></font><br>
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      On 3/28/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Truitt wrote:<br>
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        <div>Interesting Allan. My understanding has been that its good
          practice to shield even Sunlight Resistant conductors from UV,
          but maybe that is not as important as I thought. Are you
          confident that your exposed USE-2 insulation will hold up for
          the full lifespan of the systems?  What about compounding UV
          damage with other environmental conditions like hail, wind
          vibration, ice... There is also the question of damage from
          wildlife. I am all for reducing installation costs and
          learning from other trades and countries, however our systems
          do have certain unique energy production characteristics and
          should last 30+ years so there are cases when we do need to
          take additional steps to maximize long-term safety.  </div>
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        <div>Which reminds me: is anyone aware of any work being done to
          develop standardized O&M protocols for commercial PV
          systems?</div>
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          On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Allan Sindelar <<a
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              We have used #10 USE-2 for about 16 years, and our
              high-elevation New Mexico sun is quite intense. I have yet
              to see any degradation exceeding fading discoloration on
              any conductors from that far back, even when directly
              exposed to sunlight. No cracking, peeling, delaminating,
              or hardening.<br>
              Allan<br>
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              On 3/27/2013 8:41 AM, Andrew Truitt wrote:<br>
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              <div>Bill - What is your take in conductor insulation
                degradation over time when exposed to UV? Regardless of
                the "sunlight resistant" labeling, USE-2 (and I assume
                PV wire though I haven't seen it yet) does show wear
                after years of exposure to direct sunlight.  Maybe best
                practice would be to use cable trays where conductors
                are shaded and [properly installed] conduit when exposed
                to direct UV?</div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
                        have all the respect in the world for you, but
                        I’m not referring to “basket tray”, which is
                        only appropriate for small conductors. I’m
                        talking about legitimate cable tray that can be
                        up to 12” wide and that has a top and rungs
                        every 12”. The main facilities that use it in
                        the United States are large industrial
                        facilities. Most electricians don’t get to work
                        with it. It is clearly superior to EMT and is at
                        least as good as IMC without all the hassle of
                        threaded fittings and setting up expansion
                        joints and worrying about 20 years of conductors
                        thermal cycling. Even the best electricians have
                        problems with this stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
                        am talking about projects with 800 foot long
                        feeder runs. We can bring them in the building
                        and build a rack for the conduit or run covered
                        tray outside. As the 2014 NEC will require, you
                        will have to use contactor combiners or some
                        other means to shut down the conductors inside a
                        building. It’s all doable. My recommendation
                        after seeing the aftermath of rooftop conduit by
                        good electricians is to put cable tray on roofs
                        and use conduit if you bring the feeders
                        indoors. It will become common practice soon.
                        Hopefully sooner than later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Miller<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:49 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Cable tray<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Bill:<br>
                      <br>
                      I have to disagree with you on this one.  We can
                      not abandoned a tried and true practice just
                      because some practitioners don't do it right.  I
                      don't know how one can justify saying that
                      encapsulating high voltage conductors in a conduit
                      is less safe than exposed in a flimsy basket. 
                      Consider snow and ice and falling objects.<br>
                      <br>
                      Too many installers entered the PV field without
                      first acquiring the necessary skills as journeymen
                      or women electricians.  I don't see the benefit of
                      rewriting the code to accommodate a lack of skills
                      in the industry.<br>
                      <br>
                      Respectfully,<br>
                      <br>
                      William Miller<br>
                      <br>
                      PS:  The temperature adders always encourage us to
                      enter the building envelope at the first
                      appropriate location to avoid adding them. 
                      Thoughtful installers will do the same.<br>
                      <br>
                      Wm<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      At 10:15 PM 3/25/2013, you wrote:<br>
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                      William,<br>
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                      I would strongly disagree that conduit is tried
                      and true on rooftops. I have rarely seen good
                      conduit runs on rooftops. Most electricians have
                      no clue how to work with expansion joints. Conduit
                      on rooftops is a bad idea in general. Most conduit
                      runs in big buildings are all done indoors for
                      good reason. We are the crazy people doing things
                      on the roof. <br>
                       <br>
                      The sooner we get away from conduit­particularly
                      for long feeder runs­the better.<br>
                       <br>
                      In Europe they don’t have problems with their
                      rooftop wiring systems because everything is in
                      tray.<br>
                       <br>
                      For those that don’t allow cable tray for anything
                      less than 1/0, just remember that if it isn’t
                      called cable tray, then 392 doesn’t apply. The NEC
                      would allow us to use treated lumber in place of
                      cable tray. This makes no sense.<br>
                       <br>
                      We did some research on the origin of the 1/0
                      requirement, and it is ancient and no longer
                      relevant. Just because it is in the code, does not
                      mean it is correct. That’s why we try to fix it
                      every three years.<br>
                       <br>
                      Bill.<br>
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