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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">August,<br>
      The 60A breaker is intended to allow grid power to pass through to
      the loads in excess of the inverter's stand-alone output. The
      point of 705.12 (moved in the 2011 NEC from 690.64 (B)(2)) is to
      differentiate between load pass-through current and sell current.
      The amount of current fed into the grid is (4500/230 =) 19.56A,
      while the amount that can be taken from the grid and passed
      through to the load is much greater. If you were limited to a 40A
      breaker in order to maintain 120% of a 200A main bus, you'd be
      prone to nuisance trips under large cumulative loads.<br>
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      Allan<br>
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      On 2/27/2013 4:23 PM, August Goers wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Jeremy, </span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Good point.
            Even under the 2008 NEC 690.64(B)(2) you can install up to a
            40 Amp breaker on the load side as long as it is on the
            opposite side of the input feed per 690.64(B)(7). Garrison,
            do you need a 60 A breaker?</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I haven't used
            this product myself, but if the continuous output power is
            indeed 4500 W then you'd be fine with a 25 or 30 A breaker.</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">August</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                <b>On Behalf Of </b>All Solar, Inc.<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:50 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Conductor Sizing for
                Supply Side Connection</span></p>
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            <span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There
              is an exception in NEC2011 regarding the point of
              connection. This may not apply, but you could avoid the
              supply side.  4500W / 240V = 18.75 x 1.25 = 23.4A, well
              under the 120% rule. reference 705.12(D)(2)</span><span
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              Solar</span><span
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                Original Message ----- </span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#e4e4e4"><b><span
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                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:garrison@solarserviceinc.com"
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                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span
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                Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:15 PM</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                [RE-wrenches] Conductor Sizing for Supply Side
                Connection</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Wrenches,</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On an upcoming job we have a Xantrex
            XW4548 interconnecting with a 200A service, and I’d very
            much appreciate some advice if y’all are willing.  </p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Since the inverter output OCPD is
            required to be 60A we are looking at a supply side
            connection, and I have two questions:</p>
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            1.<span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman","serif"">       </span>Before the
            point of interconnection the inverter output circuit will
            first pass through the XW Power Distribution Panel and
            inverter bypass, which is essentially a 60A breaker.  The
            service disconnect for the supply side connection will also
            be fused at 60A.  Does the 120% rule apply to the conductor
            between these two OCPDs?  Or since this is a supply side
            connection in accordance with 690.64(A), 690.64(B)(2) will
            not apply? [this AHJ is on the 2008 NEC]</p>
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          <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="">2.<span
              style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman","serif"">       </span>Can anyone
            recommend a reliable insulation piercing tap connector?  Or
            would you recommend something else entirely for a
            residential supply side connection?</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance,</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Garrison</p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">847-677-0950</p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Solar Service Inc.</p>
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