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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Can someone please educate as to what “soaking” means in this context?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Emerson<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 18, 2013 3:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Kirpal,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I understand that they don’t behave like A-Si modules.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>They are claiming increased performance after soaking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Regards<br>Carl Emerson</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I don't understand the text as stated.....I am not sure if they are simply referring to a common effect in most thin film panels where for the first few months they can output more than ratings, and then they settle down to what they are rated for, or if they are saying that after a few months the output will increase, once they are "light soaked"? <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB>-- <br>Sunny Regards,<br>Kirpal Khalsa<br>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer<br>Renewable Energy Systems<br><a href="http://www.oregonsolarworks.com">www.oregonsolarworks.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf <<a href="mailto:marco@pvthawaii.com" target="_blank">marco@pvthawaii.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Yes, I saw that. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB>marco<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Carl Emerson <<a href="mailto:Carl@solarking.net.nz" target="_blank">Carl@solarking.net.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'>Marco.</span></strong><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'> </span></strong><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'>Did you notice the claim in the text as follows…</span></strong><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'> </span></strong><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'>The "Light Soaking" Effect</span></strong><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'><br>Following an initial period of exposure to sunlight, the CIS light soaking effect will result in higher output than</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'>factory spec. This has been proven by field data from around the world</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>If correct this answers your question…</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Time will tell I guess.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Regards<br>Carl Emerson</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Aloha,</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Solar Frontier in Japan, the maker of copper-indium-selenium (CIS) mods, claims that their product produces more kWhs per kW installed than crystalline silicon.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.solar-frontier.com/eng/cis/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.solar-frontier.com/eng/cis/index.html</a> If you go to the Softbank Field Results on the right tabs area you can download a 4-page PDF report.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I’m wondering if this is a hot-out-of-the-box phenomenon similar to some other non-cSi products and that after X months in the field the output stabilizes at a lower level.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Anyone have any idea or experience with this?</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span 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