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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Several types of lifts are available at
      rental yards.  We've used a hand crank type air conditioner lift
      to move 8 modules up at a time.  For anything over 10 modules, its
      really a good idea to use something besides a man on a ladder,
      especially with today's larger modules.  <br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified, Licensed Contractor
808 269-7491</pre>
      On 2/7/2013 5:15 PM, August Goers wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Eric
            and Garrison - </span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Yea,
            I see your point. I was questioning the ladder method
            because walking modules up the ladder seems to be the
            standard for roofs 2 stories or higher. I thought maybe some
            folks had a different interpretation. I'm particularly
            interested in seeing what Solar City is doing these days.</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Eric,
            I like the big tote bag/backpack idea. I believe it's been
            discussed on the wrenches list before so you might want to
            do a quick search. Schuco used to sell a collector strap kit
            for solar thermal collectors but it was designed more for
            hoisting. We just installed a 30 collector system with it
            (not Schuco collectors though!) a few weeks ago.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">August</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
            [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Youngren<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:51 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] getting PV modules up to
            the roof</span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I agree that its impossible to maintain 3
            points of contact on a ladder while sliding a module up
            above you.   I've done it many times but I agree that its
            probably not kosher according to OSHA.   </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">This reminds me of a product idea I had
              with a friend who does canvas sewing for boat covers and
              such.    </p>
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                How about this?:    A heavy-duty canvas bag for carrying
                PV modules, with backpack straps and D-rings in the
                corners?   With a module pack bag, installers could
                climb a ladder with both hands while the module is
                securely on their back,  Or it could also provide an
                easy way to tie on a rope and haul them up, or secure
                them on a sloped roof before installation.    How many
                installers would be interested in something like that??
                     How much would you be willing to pay for it?    </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Eric</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Solar Nexus International</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:03 PM,
              Garrison Riegel <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:garrison@solarserviceinc.com"
                target="_blank">garrison@solarserviceinc.com</a>>
              wrote:</p>
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                  <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It
                    is not possible to maintain three points of contact
                    at all times while carrying a module up a ladder. 
                    It is my understanding that if three-point contact
                    is not possible at all times, then a personal fall
                    arrest system is required.  This is not called out
                    specifically in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=10839"
                      target="_blank">Subpart X</a>, but if an injury or
                    fatality were to result from carrying modules up a
                    ladder I think it would be difficult to avoid
                    getting fined or sued.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We
                    use a power ladder whenever possible.  It takes a
                    while to set up, but is OSHA compliant, can lift
                    multiple modules at once, and saves wear and tear on
                    the crew. The only real issue is upfront cost, but
                    this is cheap when compared to the long term cost of
                    a workman’s comp claim.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My
                    2¢</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Garrison</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Solar
                    Service Inc</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:847-677-0950"
                      target="_blank">847-677-0950</a></span></p>
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                  <span
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
                          target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
                        [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
                          target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>August Goers<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:44
                        PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] getting PV modules
                        up to the roof</span></p>
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                        <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi
                          Wrenches,</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                          imagine that all of us working in rooftop PV
                          have put some good hard thought on the best
                          way to get the modules up to the roof. There
                          are various lifts on the market, you can hoist
                          them with ropes manually, or walk them up a
                          ladder (sling them over your back). I find
                          that the majority of our competition in the
                          Bay Area walks panels up the ladder for
                          residential projects. What is your feeling
                          about OSHA compliance of doing this?</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">August</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="tel:415.559.1525" target="_blank">415.559.1525</a></span></p>
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