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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I see in your signal capture that the
      firing angle is earlier than mine so that it doesn't (always) go
      across the zero crossing. From what the utility system operator
      here has told me about their TWACS, the firing angle is adjustable
      from about 5 to 30 degrees before the zero crossing. Supposedly,
      they increase the firing angle to get a stronger signal from sites
      that are hard to reach.<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar, Inc.
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.bluemountainsolar.com">www.bluemountainsolar.com</a>
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      On 2/7/2013 2:13 PM, Nick Soleil wrote:<br>
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          <div>Hi Kent and Wrenches,<br>
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          Thanks for sharing that image.  We have some readings that we
          captured with a Hioki Power Quality Analyzer.<br>
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        I have this as a PDF, and can send it to anyone who would like
        to see this, but have also attached a .tiff file that meets the
        file size requirements of the list.  Send an email to me
        off-list if you'd like the PDF.
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Kent
          Osterberg <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:kent@coveoregon.com" target="_blank">kent@coveoregon.com</a>></span>
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              <div>The <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.aclaratech.com" target="_blank">Aclara</a>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.aclaratech.com/AclaraPLS/pages/default.aspx"
                  target="_blank">TWACS</a> signal that knocks the
                Enphase inverters off line is difficult to capture
                because it only last a few seconds every time the meter
                replies to a ping or data request. I did manage to
                capture it using <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.zelscope.com/" target="_blank">Zelscope</a>
                with a long recording time. The attached image shows a
                pulse at the zero crossing of the ac waveform; some
                crossings don't have a pulse  - I think that is a binary
                zero and the pulse represents a one. The pulse does not
                change the ac frequency and has only a negligible effect
                on the rms ac voltage. However, the time between zero
                crossings is not always 16.67 ms.<br>
                <br>
                Messing with the zero crossing like that is an ugly
                thing to do to the ac voltage. Many things other than
                inverters can be messed up by this. It caused one of my
                digital clocks to run fast. Our local utility has had
                complaints about numerous other devices that it has
                messed up. I've got some SunnyBoy systems with remote
                monitoring that don't seem to be bothered by this
                signal. The Enphase inverters do not tolerate it. I'm
                glad to hear that Enphase is working on a fix and hope
                that it is rolled out soon.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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                    <pre cols="72">Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar, Inc.
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.bluemountainsolar.com" target="_blank">www.bluemountainsolar.com</a>
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                  <div class="h5"> On 2/5/2013 2:38 PM, Nick Soleil
                    wrote:<br>
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                          <div>Hi wrenches,<br>
                            <br>
                            The frequency out of range issue is being
                            caused by some utility meter's communication
                            "ping".  This ping is actually affecting the
                            utility voltage and frequency, and can be
                            viewed with a power quality analyzer.  It is
                            highly likely that this is affecting a wide
                            variety of utility-interactive inverters,
                            but is only noticeable with the Enphase
                            systems; due to the high level of visibility
                            that our Enlighten monitoring and reporting
                            provides.<br>
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                        These changes required that the software undergo
                        a new certification process. We have completed
                        our CSA certification of the new software, and
                        are validating it's functionality before pushing
                        out the solution to our entire population of
                        microinverters.  We are in the process of beta
                        testing the software fix, and are hoping to have
                        this resolved in February.<br>
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                      Thank you for your patience as we work to resolve
                      this issue.</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at
                        9:24 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:penobscotsolar@midmaine.com"
                            target="_blank">penobscotsolar@midmaine.com</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
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                             It doesn't happen often, and the longest
                          I've seen him stay "down" is<br>
                          about a half hour, but it seems to get
                          progressively worse as time goes<br>
                          on for some reason (initially only the five
                          minutes, but longer down<br>
                          times lately). This particular customer is
                          difficult and picky, to<br>
                          boot. I hope yours is a bit kinder. Mine seems
                          to think we did him an<br>
                          injustice of monumental proportions.<br>
                             We have had the utility out there logging
                          events, meetings with the<br>
                          utility and another solar company in Maine to
                          discuss all this, and<br>
                          have kept Enphase in the loop throughout.
                          Enphase has responded in a<br>
                          responsible and reasonable manner throughout.<br>
                             If you want to discuss this with Enphase,
                          call and ask for Bret. He's<br>
                          the engineer I previously dealt with, although
                          he is second tier, he is<br>
                          accessible.<br>
                          <div>
                            <div><br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              > Thanks Daryl. Does your system also
                              sometimes stay off for longer periods<br>
                              > sometimes? My clients system can stay
                              off for up to 64 minutes.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Dave<br>
                              ><br>
                              > -----Original Message-----<br>
                              > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
                                target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
                              > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
                                target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
                              On Behalf Of<br>
                              > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:penobscotsolar@midmaine.com"
                                target="_blank">penobscotsolar@midmaine.com</a><br>
                              > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013
                              12:01 PM<br>
                              > To: RE-wrenches<br>
                              > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase
                              "AC Frequency out of Range"<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Dave,<br>
                              >   We have been having the same
                              problem with an Enphase system in Maine. I<br>
                              > have been dealing directly with the
                              third tier engineers at Enphase and<br>
                              > they<br>
                              > are working on a software fix for
                              this. The"event" itself is only a<br>
                              > fraction<br>
                              > of a second but IEEE requirements are
                              that the inverter shut down for five<br>
                              > minutes. I only found out about this
                              problem when it started for this<br>
                              > customer. It sems that Enphase has
                              already addressed the problem with a<br>
                              > software fix for the M-190's. The
                              M-215 fix should come, according to<br>
                              > Enphase, by the end of March. It will
                              be automatically downloaded through<br>
                              > the Enlighten router.<br>
                              >    It's a known issue with Smart
                              Meters with Enphase, but should be<br>
                              > reconciled soon.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Daryl DeJoy<br>
                              > NABCEP Certified PV installer<br>
                              > Penobscot Solar Design<br>
                              > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.penobscotsolar.com"
                                target="_blank">www.penobscotsolar.com</a><br>
                              ><br>
                              ><br>
                              ><br>
                              >> Wrenchsters,<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on
                              a residence with utility Smart<br>
                              >> Metering, both the PV Production
                              Meter as well as the utility billing<br>
                              >> meter being "read" every hour.
                              This system has experienced many "AC<br>
                              >> Frequency Out Of Range" events
                              since the system was installed. Below<br>
                              >> is copied the Enphase Event
                              message. This particular event was for 5<br>
                              >> minutes. Most of the events (all
                              events are AC Frequency Out Of Range)<br>
                              >> last 5 to 10 minutes but
                              occasionally they have lasted from 45
                              minutes<br>
                              >> to<br>
                              > 64 minutes.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> My question is: Could the use of
                              the smart metering increase the<br>
                              >> likely hood that AC Frequency
                              events happen? Or is this just a<br>
                              >> coincidence and that we are
                              dealing with fluctuating utility power AC<br>
                              >> Frequency issues?<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> <<<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Started on: Mon February 04, 2013
                              12:49 PM EST<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Cleared on: Mon February 04, 2013
                              12:54 PM EST<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Recommended action<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> This condition should correct
                              itself. No action is required.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Details<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> The microinverter reports that
                              the frequency coming from the utility<br>
                              >> is either too low or too high as
                              specified by applicable regional<br>
                              > standards.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> AC frequency is the frequency at
                              which voltage varies on the utility<br>
                              >> grid.<br>
                              >> Frequency Out of Range events are
                              usually transient and<br>
                              >> self-correcting by the utility.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> When the microinverter detects an
                              out of frequency condition, it must<br>
                              >> remain offline until the utility
                              has been within acceptable limits<br>
                              >> continuously for a short period
                              of time (seconds to minutes, varies by<br>
                              >> region). If during that time the
                              utility again exceeds or falls short<br>
                              >> of acceptable limits, the
                              five-minute timer must restart and the<br>
                              >> microinverter may not begin
                              producing power for an additional short<br>
                              >> period following the last
                              out-of-bounds condition.  >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Best,<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Dave<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> David Palumbo<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Independent Power LLC<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> 462 Solar Way Drive<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Hyde Park, VT 05655<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.independentpowerllc.com"
                                target="_blank">www.independentpowerllc.com</a><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Vermont Solar Partner<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> 25 Years Experience, <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                value="+18028887194" target="_blank">(802)

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        <p>“Don’t get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It’s just that I
          prefer fusion to fission. And it just so happens that there’s
          an enormous fusion reactor safely banked a few million miles
          from us. It delivers more than we could ever use in just about
          8 minutes. And it’s wireless! .”  <br>
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