<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">...Just to chime in, I installed the Exeltech/NB ACPV modules on a residence in January. It was super easy. They went in fast, with no GEC needed from the roof. Piercing connectors worked well clamping to the trunk cable. No conduit required. Irradiance sensor is standard, with temp sensed from the Heliosentry box. The modules seem to be performing well, although the system isn't connected to the internet, and I am not sure how the monitoring works when it is. (That is something I'd like to know more about before installing another system.) <br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Oct 31, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Exeltech wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Jason,<br><br>You're describing our "Home Run" cable and the connectors for the<br>AC Modules.<br><br>Replacements are easy. The inverter base stays on the PV. The<br>cable is a part of that base. You don't need to disconnect anything.<br><br>Just remove four screws from the inverter (the "lid" of the enclosure<br>is actually the inverter heat sink), remove it (there's a five pin mating<br>connector inside the inverter .. the female half on the inverter, the<br>male half in the base) .. remove the inverter .. pop the new one in,<br>and replace the four screws.<br><br>That's it. No wiring to mess with.<br><br><br>Dan<br><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 10/31/12, Jason Szumlanski <i><<a href="mailto:jason@fafcosolar.com">jason@fafcosolar.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Jason
Szumlanski <<a href="mailto:jason@fafcosolar.com">jason@fafcosolar.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Modules ready for primetime?<br>To: "RE-wrenches" <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 5:27 PM<br><br><div id="yiv262431960">One of the nice features I saw at SPI is the "trunk cable" which is a standard cable to which you attach piercing taps that come attached on a drop from each AC module's inverter. I like not having to worry about connector spacing. I'm not sure how you handle replacements or removals, but I'm sure that's been addressed. I haven't used these modules yet, but I can see the benefits in the cable strategy.<br>
<br><div id="yiv262431960WISESTAMP_SIG_2796"><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style="margin:0 0 8px 0;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="color:#808080;"><strong>Jason Szumlanski</strong><em> </em></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="color:#808080;"><em>Fafco Solar</em></span><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="yiv262431960gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Exeltech <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:exeltech@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="x-msg://67/mc/compose?to=exeltech@yahoo.com">exeltech@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv262431960gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit;" valign="top">Hello Kirk,<br><br>
Our PVAC Modules are certified to UL and other applicable Standards on:<br>
<br>Helios PV, Milwaukee, Wisc ( <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.heliossolarworks.com/">http://www.heliossolarworks.com/</a> )<br>PV made in Milwaukee + our AC Module inverters made in Fort Worth<br>yields a 100% "Made in America" product.<br>
<br><br>NB Solar (made by "Sun Earth Solar"), China<span><em></em></span><br>In the PV business for 44 years.<br>
( <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nbsolar.com/">http://www.nbsolar.com/</a> )<br><br><br>Top Sun (Korea)<br>Vertically integrated PV manufacturer of ingots, wafers, cells, and PV modules.<br>( <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.topsun.kr/english/main/main.htm">http://www.topsun.kr/english/main/main.htm</a> )<br>
<br><br>Distributed by Solarbine, with offices/warehouse facilities in Pennsylvania,<br>Texas, and Southern California.<br> ( <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.solarbine.net/">http://www.solarbine.net/</a> )<br><br><br>
More PV manufacturers are working their way through in UL certification at this<br>time, but non-disclosure agreements won't allow discussion yet.<div class="yiv262431960im"><br><br><br><br><br>Dan Lepinski, Senior Engineer<br>Exeltech Solar<br>
<br><br><br></div>--- On <b>Wed, 10/31/12, Kirk Herander <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kirk@vtsolar.com" target="_blank" href="x-msg://67/mc/compose?to=kirk@vtsolar.com">kirk@vtsolar.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;">
<br>From: Kirk Herander <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kirk@vtsolar.com" target="_blank" href="x-msg://67/mc/compose?to=kirk@vtsolar.com">kirk@vtsolar.com</a>><div class="yiv262431960im"><br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Modules ready for primetime?<br>To: "'RE-wrenches'" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="x-msg://67/mc/compose?to=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
</div>Date: Wednesday,
October 31, 2012, 1:53 PM<div><div class="yiv262431960h5"><br><br><div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Dan,</span></p><div><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;">What panel OEM’s are using your AC modules?</span></p><div><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Kirk Herander</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;">VT Solar, LLC</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;">dba Vermont Solar Engineering</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;">NABCEP<sup>TM </sup>Certified Inaugural Certificant</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;">NYSERDA-eligible Installer</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;">VT RE Incentive Program Partner</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;"><a rel="nofollow">802.863.1202</a></span></p><div><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="x-msg://67/mc/compose?to=re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="x-msg://67/mc/compose?to=re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Exeltech<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Modules ready for primetime?</span></p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr>
<td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign="top"><p>Hello David,<br><br>Our inverters are a *true* AC Module, not just a micro-inverter
that's been<br>attached to the PV frame or other structure. They replace the junction box<br>on PV, and must be installed by a PV manufacturer, distributor, or OEM<br>that are certified to the appropriate UL Standards for that process. Our<br>
AC Modules are not designed for field/site installation to PV.<br><br>The advantages to this: We're exempt from DC-side ground-fault and<br>arc-fault because all DC conductors are internal to our inverter, and are<br>
all less than 80Vdc.<br><br>Being mounted directly to the PV eliminates the j-box, diodes, high-voltage<br>DC conductors, and expensive DC connectors and their associated hassles.<br>This also reduces the product cost and decreases the system installation<br>
time. You're also assured of a perfect match of our inverter to the PV.<br><br>For notes - our AC Module inverters are made in Fort Worth, Texas.<br><br><br><br>Dan Lepinski, Senior Engineer<br>Exeltech Solar<br><br>
--- On <b>Wed,
10/31/12, David Katz <i><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=dkatz@aeesolar.com">dkatz@aeesolar.com</a>></i></b> wrote:</p><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>From: David Katz <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=dkatz@aeesolar.com">dkatz@aeesolar.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Modules ready for primetime?<br>To: "RE-wrenches" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:39 AM</p><div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Dan Lapinski,<br>Does Exeltech make a microinverter that can be site-installed? <br>David Katz<br><br>Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now
Network from Sprint!<br><br></p><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Exeltech" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=exeltech@yahoo.com">exeltech@yahoo.com</a>><br>
To: "RE-wrenches" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC Modules ready for primetime?<br>
Date: Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:26 am</p></div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign="top"><p>I'd like to correct an error in Jim's statement below related to how we<br>
at
Exeltech handle warranty.<br><br>If an AC Module inverter should fail, the entire module does not need to<br>be sent back for warranty -- just the inverter itself. In our case, this<br>involves removing four small screws to separate the inverter from the<br>
base. The "lid" (or top of the enclosure) is the heat sink of the inverter.<br>The base stays attached to the PV. There's no wiring involved. It's all<br>internal, and you don't have to do anything except remove the old<br>
inverter from the base and plug in the new one.<br><br>Once you access the back of the PV, total time to effect the swap<br>is typically about 1 minute.<br><br><br><br>Dan Lepinski, Senior Engineer<br>Exeltech Solar<br><br>
<br>--- On <b>Wed, 10/31/12, Solarguy <i><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=ntrei@1scom.net">ntrei@1scom.net</a>></i></b> wrote:</p><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>From: Solarguy <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=ntrei@1scom.net">ntrei@1scom.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Modules ready for primetime?<br>To: "'RE-wrenches'" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 9:05 AM</p><div><div><div><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">Another question to consider when it comes to ACPV warranty replacement is, do you have to send the entire module back for repair if there’s a warranty claim on the inverter. Solar Bridge & Exeltech both say yes. All things equal, Solar Bridge still has DC apparatus exposed but not Exeltech. It would be nice to just be able to drill out the pop rivets and
unplug the SB unit & return for repair. </span></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">And yes, I’m kinda biased toward Exeltech but they have been building inverters for 20+ years. </span></p><div><span style="color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">Jim Duncan</span></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">North Texas Renewable Energy Inc</span></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ntrei.com/">www.ntrei.com</a> </span></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">NABCEP PV 031310-57</span></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">TECL-27398</span></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=ntrei@1scom.net">ntrei@1scom.net</a> </span></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d;"><a rel="nofollow">817.917.0527</a></span></p><div><span style="color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]">[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]</a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>William Dorsett<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Modules ready for primetime?</p></div></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">Kirk, the BenQ modules use SolarBridge inverters. One of the questions to ask with ACPV is who backs the warranty on the inverter. According to SolarBridge’s website, the module manufacturer warranty’s the combination. This is fine as long as the mfg stays afloat but in this time with such major players as Sharp and BP backing out, who do you turn to if your inverter has a problem? As Bill said Exeltech is in this too, and warranty’s their own, so is one step less removed. </span></p><div><span style="color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">One of the things we’ve
gathered is that Enphase, with an installed base of something over a million, is having some problems with its first version, 190. Is that a problem inherent in the components chosen in its design or something as simple as insufficient potting? It is fairly low percentage, but it also hasn’t been 25 years. And how does that balance with the installed base of any of the other microinverter/ACPV manufacturers? </span></p><div><span style="color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">It seems that the temperature at which micros are required to live is the main advantage of remote string inverters. They can be down in the shade with free air moving around them. On the other end of that trend are the ACPV which might have very little room between them and the module backing. There might be several practical actions like mounting the modules with the inverter on the
down side so the air flow is cooler (a little like putting the pump or fan on the cool input side of a thermal collector), or spacing the array higher off the roof to allow more air flow.</span></p><div><span style="color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">I do agree with Bill that this is the direction the industry is heading and very quickly.</span></p><div><span style="color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">Bill Dorsett</span></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">Sunwrights</span></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d;">Manhattan, KS</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]">[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Loesch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Modules ready for primetime?</span></p></div></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>Hi Nik,<br>
<br>As of SPI 2012, Solar Bridge advertized seven module manufacturers using their
product.<br><br>Remember Exeltech, manufacturer of exemplary sine wave inverters, is also a player in this ACPV market, undoubtedly other players, too.<br><br>IMHO, ACPV is the route that the industry will _eventually_ follow. </p>
<pre>Bill Loesch</pre><pre>Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar</pre><pre><a rel="nofollow">314 631 1094</a></pre><p>On 30-Oct-12 10:13 AM, Nik Ponzio wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">I have a prospective customer requesting AC modules for a commercial job. What is currently available? <br><br>Thanks in advance.<br>Nik<br><br></p><pre>_______________________________________________</pre>
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