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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Seems if the Romex is not listed as being suitable for use in a wet location, having not been tested by UL for that situation, it would not be suitable for use in that environment, regardless of how its internal conductors are rated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Glenn Burt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Ray Walters [mailto:ray@solarray.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 26, 2012 10:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> glenn.burt@glbcc.com; RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase and Romex<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>So if the Romex is loaded with THHN/THWN (damp/wet rated), and no where does the outer covering of the Romex itself get exposed to the wet location, that should be sufficient? <br><br>Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10/26/2012 7:45 PM, Glenn Burt wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>300.9 Raceways in Wet Locations Above Grade.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Where raceways are installed in wet locations abovegrade, the interior of these raceways shall be considered to be a wet location. Insulated conductors and cables installed in raceways in wet locations abovegrade shall comply with 310.8(C).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“Section 300.9, new for the 2008 Code and similar to 300.5(B), draws attention to the inside of all raceways and enclosures installed in an abovegrade wet location. The inside of these raceways and enclosures now definitively requires conductors and cables suitable for use in wet locations in accordance with to 310.8.” – Explanatory note</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>310.8 Locations.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(C) Wet Locations. Insulated conductors and cables used in wet locations shall comply with one of the following: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(1) Be moisture-impervious metal-sheathed </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(2) Be types MTW, RHW, RHW-2, TW, THW, THW-2, THHW, THWN, THWN-2, XHHW, XHHW-2, ZW </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(3) Be of a type listed for use in wet locations</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>benn kilburn<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 26, 2012 2:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase and Romex</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Glenn/Jason,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>So you wouldn't use romex to feed an exterior outlet on an outside wall, or to any outside lights???</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Canadian Electrical Code's (CE Code) definitions…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>wet location</span></u><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> -a location in which liquids may drip, splash, or flow on or against electrical equipment.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Damp location</span></u><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> –an exterior or interior location that is normally or periodically subject to condensation of moisture in, on, or, adjacent to electrical equipment an includes partially protected locations under canopies, parquees, roofed open porches, and similar locations.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Dry location </span></u><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>–a location not normally subject to dampness, but that may include a location subject to temporary dampness as in the case of a building under construction, provided that ventilation is adequate to prevent an accumulation of moisture. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>If inside your attic is considered a "wet location", then you have other issues. Are you sure the NEC's definition of 'wet location' is relating to the location of the romex?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I just spoke to one of my inspectors and he sees no issue with entering the bottom of a soladeck with romex. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>On the grounding/bonding, I have been using the bare wire in the romex for the enphase system ground (within the enphase cable) and running a #6 from the mod frames and rails into the soladeck and along side the romex back to the panelboard.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I need to get myself a copy of your NEC so I can be on the same page as you guys. I hear it is written in a way that is much easier to interpret than the CE Code, which is written in a very legal jargon.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>benn</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>DayStar Renewable Energy Inc. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><a href="http://www.daystarsolar.ca">www.daystarsolar.ca</a> * Ph: 780-906-7807 </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Construction Electrician Solar Photovoltaic Systems Certified</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Certificate # 0007S</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>HAVE A SUNNY DAY</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>On 25/10/12 9:37 AM, "Glenn Burt" <<a href="mailto:glenn.burt@glbcc.com">glenn.burt@glbcc.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Soladeck on the rooftop places it in an environment that is considered ‘wet’.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t think Romex is listed for use in a wet environment.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This would force you to use the proposed jbox in the attic for the transition location.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also understood that you could combine the EGC and GEC into a single conductor as long as it is continuous or irreversibly spliced, as part of the ’08 code.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Glenn Burt</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue'> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Szumlanski<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Enphase and Romex</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:blue'>I'm sure this has been covered, but I could not find it in the archives.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:blue'>We are considering using Romex in the attic for the first time. My plan was to use the new Enphase coupler to connect the trunk cable to Type TC-ER, enter a Soladeck passthrough box on the roof into a junction box in the attic where I would make the transition to 10/3 Romex. I'm hung up on the GEC going back to the service panel. Any suggestions?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:blue'>By the way, we are on NEC 2008, and in most cases there is also a requirement for an additional grounding electrode per NEC 690.47(D) (that shouldn't really relate to my issue).</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="WISESTAMP_SIG_2952"><div><div style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>Jason Szumlanski</span></strong><em><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span></em><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><em><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>Fafco Solar</span></em><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>_______________________________________________ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> Options & settings: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a> List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a> List rules & etiquette: <a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a> Check out participant bios: <a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Options & settings:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List rules & etiquette:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Check out participant bios:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>